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Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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> authors get the same royalties whether the book is sold by amazon or other channels If the authors get the same, what's the problem? Everyone else is a middleman.

Not true. A publishing house is not meddling anything, is creating the “commodity“ along with the author. Creating a book is an art. It involves formation, sometimes translation, concept and design. It also fires a big productive chain that in some cases, for indie publishers at least, goes along with the ethos of the author. That’s why some very successful authors stick along with indies instead of penguin random. P…

> A publishing house is not meddling anything

I didn't say they were meddling - I said they were middlemen.

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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The cost is a factor, but the 7-10 day delay is far worse for me and it’s ~$10 shipping to get 2-3 day delivery. Also, do we know for sure the Ingram warehouse employees are better treated than Amazon?

To be honest, Amazon shipping works because it's a monopoly. They don't care how much you buy, it's almost the same for the company, they have to hire the same amount of staff, and same paid hours, at least in urban area. But for any independent store, they have to negotiate a rate with a shipper, which would charge a flat base rate, and overweight if there are any. So it can be difficult for them to offer quality an…

Bookshop fulfillment is handled by Ingram Content Group, a massive book distribution and logistics company, and itself the biggest distributor to independent bookstores.

Disclosure: I work for a child company of Ingram

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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I don't seem to any benefit here. In fact it takes away from the experience of going to a bookstore and everything related to it; at a higher cost and with a delayed delivery. Besides is this site a non profit? For all I know they might get acquired and then we all will get to see that last email.

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not true. A publishing house is not meddling anything, is creating the “commodity“ along with the author. Creating a book is an art. It involves formation, sometimes translation, concept and design. It also fires a big productive chain that in some cases, for indie publishers at least, goes along with the ethos of the author. That’s why some very successful authors stick along with indies instead of penguin random. P…

> A publishing house is not meddling anything I didn't say they were meddling - I said they were middlemen .

English is not my native language. I think you understand what I meant.

Publishing houses are not a middleman in the same way walmart is a middle man. Before you get your book, it has been edited, formed and designed. Plus, and again, we’re talking indie here, it’s most likely part of a concept. Don’t you have a collection, a compilation or had ever bought a book by its cover?

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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Cool concept, but the books I compared were 20-50% higher than Amazon, and they charge another $3.50 to ship in 7-10 days.

Haven't read the article but like what you say, I tried to get a book from waterstones, a UK bookshop on my high street. I don't mind paying 20% or 25% extra as I don't like amazon and I do want to support local bookshops but when they cost that much more and they don't have it in stock and can't tell me when they will get it in, I say screw you and go with amazon.

In order to avoid amazon I get my books from abebooks. Sadly today I just found out Abebooks is owned by Amazon.

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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How does it differ from previous IndieBound efforts?

The indiebound site now directs people to bookshop.org for purchases. Previously, it would direct you to an individual bookseller's website which may or may not have had online ordering available. Update: The changeover to bookstore.org has been postponed to June 1st to direct as much traffic to individual bookstores' websites as possible.

I can see why they went this way, but this change does seem to be in one sense admitting defeat vs. the Amazon model. The new Bookshop model is basically the Amazon model as far as sales and fulfillment goes: centralized online ordering, with centralized fulfillment from warehouses directly to consumers, bypassing retail. The main difference from Amazon is that they hope to sell at higher prices, producing a surplus from the online sales business that can be distributed to indie bookstores, which they can use to cross-subsidize their brick-and-mortar business. But unlike the previous Indiebound model, the indie bookstores involved in Bookshop no longer actually touch the books at any point in the sales/fulfillment process.

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Haven't read the article but like what you say, I tried to get a book from waterstones, a UK bookshop on my high street. I don't mind paying 20% or 25% extra as I don't like amazon and I do want to support local bookshops but when they cost that much more and they don't have it in stock and can't tell me when they will get it in, I say screw you and go with amazon.

In order to avoid amazon I get my books from abebooks. Sadly today I just found out Abebooks is owned by Amazon.

Alibris is basically the same thing and not owned by Amazon.

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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post #37

I bought a book on bookshop last week. It was $5 more than on Amazon, and bookstores got $1.80 from my purchase. I should have just bought the book on Amazon and mailed four dollar bills to my local bookstore—everyone would have come out ahead.

I'm not sure I see the point either. I want to shop at my local bookstore. The one that is a 10 minute walk from my place. Bookshop seems like an amazon clone but they donate to independent bookstores. Well, amazon has smile, so I don't see how this is better. Perhaps I missed something.
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