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Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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That doesn't explain why they were there.

The article gives an explanation. Maybe you don't believe it, but it is plausible.

All it says is that it was traveling to Curacao. The ship was arrested for nonpayment of debts in November, it's not clear who paid off the debts or why it is traveling to Curacao.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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> this would not be the first time Which the laughably biased article illustrates with Iran's "infamous" seizure of a British ship. Not the earlier British seizure of an Iranian vessel, which the Iranians were simply responding to, which is barely a footnote. I'm sure if a ship from an ally of a country brazenly attempting to overthrow the US government innocently "drifted" for days off the US coast before innocently…

The original British seizure was because it was in violation of international sanctions, no? The Iranian seizure, whether it matters or not, was illegal as far as I'm aware.

There are no international sanctions against Syria, simply EU sanctions and US sanctions. Countries that aren't the US and in the EU don't have to abide by that any more than the US or EU has to abide by dictats Iran or Russia or China dream up. The British action, made at the behest of the US, was at least as illegal as the response it provoked.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Well that's embarrassing. Could you imagine being the crew of the cruise ship and having to rescue the clowns that just tried to ram you?

They ran away, they didn't rescue them. Kinda shows that they might be on blame Ps: Venezuelan here and I hate my gov but this looks really shaddy

So you're saying the navy vessel was both justified and acting in an intelligent manner when it rammed the cruise ship?

My guess is you are really troller working for the Maduro regime.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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> The US ought to invade Venezuela. Interesting coming from someone who claims to feel for the hardships of venezuelans. > Venezuelans are hungry and destitute due to the regime They are hungry because of crippling economic sanctions. > and the country's domestic turmoil Started by foreign desire for regime change. > It's truly disgusting the kind of inhumanity that Russia and Cuba have propped up in Venezuela. They…

Which elections? If you mean the ones I think you do, they were a complete farce. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential...

Less of a farce than forcing a native bolivian who won 47% of the votes out and installing a woman who won 4% of the votes as president.

Also, don't you think it is a "farce" because of once again foreign interference? If it is a farce, then let the venezuelans deal with the matter themselves. What business is it of ours?

It doesn't serve the interests of the american people. The only people who benefit are the international banking cartel.

Also, you keep forgetting that the US has been trying to destabilize venezuela since chavez got elected. So, the election being a "farce" or not doesn't really matter.

One has to wonder, why do you care? What's in it for you? Where is the sudden surge of anti-venezuelan propaganda coming from. Certainly, if you care about elections, there are far egregious cases than venezuela around the world. Bolivia being an obvious one. Have you been pushing propaganda to oust the "unelected" leader of bolivia?

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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In theory they're supposed to, but that kind of went out the window since WW2.

IIRC uboats were only “supposed” to sink ships if they could aid in rescuing the crew and passengers after... but gave that policy up when the Allies kept attacking them with aircraft while they were conducting rescue operations.

Did u-boats typically even have the capacity to transport the number of people on the ships they sank?

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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post #128

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The original British seizure was because it was in violation of international sanctions, no? The Iranian seizure, whether it matters or not, was illegal as far as I'm aware.

There are no international sanctions against Syria, simply EU sanctions and US sanctions. Countries that aren't the US and in the EU don't have to abide by that any more than the US or EU has to abide by dictats Iran or Russia or China dream up. The British action, made at the behest of the US, was at least as illegal as the response it provoked.

The EU and the US comprise several nations, so why does that not make sanctions "international"? Conversely, are international sanctions ever applied by literally every nation on earth?

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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I've felt like I'm stuck in some alternate history timeline since 2001.

Since 2001? The CIA was actually trying to spy on the Russians via psychic powers in the late 1970's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project (edit- I suppose it was the US Army and the CIA) There was a group of people that committed suicide to try and get their souls on a magical spaceship in the early 1970's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_gro... Weird stuff has been going on foreve…

"A few decades ago you would have never heard about two ships colliding with zero casualties unless you worked in the shipping industry or maybe the Venezuelan government."

"You" being someone who didn't read printed material like newspapers and magazines before the internet became mainstream.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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If the US wanted to invade, apparently we could do it with a handful of cruise ships. Why send carriers when Carnival will do?

The US could not want to invade, instead opting to arm and assist an insurgency in Venezuela. A cruise liner that is supposed to be arrested in Buenos Aires would make for an excellent way to smuggle in supplies and mercenaries. Or they want a civil war that they can then assist with. We have done similar things in the past, in Syria and a host of Latin American countries. Even in Venezuela, the US aid Maduro forbid…

The US is always the source of all evil, so it's odd that Venezuela apparently has separate issues with Portugal.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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An act of piracy off the island of Tortuga? Cue Michael Bolton!

Tortuga is off the north coast of Haiti.

Thanks. I was making a cryptic reference to this important document of maritime law: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GI6CfKcMhjY

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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The US could not want to invade, instead opting to arm and assist an insurgency in Venezuela. A cruise liner that is supposed to be arrested in Buenos Aires would make for an excellent way to smuggle in supplies and mercenaries. Or they want a civil war that they can then assist with. We have done similar things in the past, in Syria and a host of Latin American countries. Even in Venezuela, the US aid Maduro forbid…

The US is always the source of all evil, so it's odd that Venezuela apparently has separate issues with Portugal.

NATO member Portugal. If there's something fishy going on here, the US is undoubtedly the ringleader. Portugal hasn't spent the last twenty years actively trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government.
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