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Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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Cool concept, but the books I compared were 20-50% higher than Amazon, and they charge another $3.50 to ship in 7-10 days.

On the other hand I might actually be able to buy technical books on here which gives me a way to stop buying anything from Amazon.

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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post #4

Cool concept, but the books I compared were 20-50% higher than Amazon, and they charge another $3.50 to ship in 7-10 days.

To me seems as though amazon pricing has gone up and I am happy to pay a little more and wait if it helps to establish a more competitive market and to reduce counterfeits, fraudulent selling, and over-fit ML recommendations that make it difficult to browse into new areas

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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Did someone really call their bookshop 'Bookshop'?

And I really don't get it - printed books are commodities. They're the same wherever you get them. Anyone except the author is a middleman. Independent bookshops can't value-add anything except in-person, and even then it's limited to creating a nice environment.

I love my local bookshop, and we're buying from them during the crisis to be delivered, but being honest with myself it's because of the toast they do rather than anything to do with books.

(Doesn't apply to second-hand booksellers.)

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

#15

So this turns bookstores into super affiliates? Also while sharing a pool of secondary affiliate revenue. I am a heavy user of Amazon's Abebooks. When I buy from there bookstores get 92% of the revenue, and bear the costs. Surely a model like this for new books is better than bookstore.org model?

Abebooks is for second-hand and antiquarian - I think that's a completely different market and model.

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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Did someone really call their bookshop 'Bookshop'? And I really don't get it - printed books are commodities. They're the same wherever you get them. Anyone except the author is a middleman. Independent bookshops can't value-add anything except in-person, and even then it's limited to creating a nice environment. I love my local bookshop, and we're buying from them during the crisis to be delivered, but being honest…

It’s not true that having independent stores doesn’t value add anything.

They add protection against monopoly which is dangerous, especially when talking books, to allow in a free society.

They don’t add anything in the narrow context we are usually meaning when we say such.

There’s always another abstraction that says otherwise. And in the case of society, I’d prefer a robust, unmonopolized trade.

But most people don’t think in abstractions, opting for adherence to obvious social norms.

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

#17

So this turns bookstores into super affiliates? Also while sharing a pool of secondary affiliate revenue. I am a heavy user of Amazon's Abebooks. When I buy from there bookstores get 92% of the revenue, and bear the costs. Surely a model like this for new books is better than bookstore.org model?

If you'd rather not enrich Amazon with your used book purchases, I recommend checking out Alibris. It's a marketplace just like Abebooks, and I've found that many of the same big name sellers are on both platforms.

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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Did someone really call their bookshop 'Bookshop'? And I really don't get it - printed books are commodities. They're the same wherever you get them. Anyone except the author is a middleman. Independent bookshops can't value-add anything except in-person, and even then it's limited to creating a nice environment. I love my local bookshop, and we're buying from them during the crisis to be delivered, but being honest…

It’s not true that having independent stores doesn’t value add anything. They add protection against monopoly which is dangerous, especially when talking books, to allow in a free society. They don’t add anything in the narrow context we are usually meaning when we say such. There’s always another abstraction that says otherwise. And in the case of society, I’d prefer a robust, unmonopolized trade. But most people do…

But they just buy exactly the same books, from exactly the same publishers, as every other bookshop in the world. Where are they adding any kind of protection against anything?

My local bookshop sells the same as I could get in a chain bookshop. The books aren't any different! What's the point?

And anyway you don't need bookshops to disseminate free thought, if that's what you mean. You can do that with a website.

(Doesn't apply to specialist bookshops.)

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

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How does it differ from previous IndieBound efforts?

The indiebound site now directs people to bookshop.org for purchases. Previously, it would direct you to an individual bookseller's website which may or may not have had online ordering available.

Update: The changeover to bookstore.org has been postponed to June 1st to direct as much traffic to individual bookstores' websites as possible.

Re: Thanks to Bookshop, indies stand a chance against Amazon

#20

Did someone really call their bookshop 'Bookshop'? And I really don't get it - printed books are commodities. They're the same wherever you get them. Anyone except the author is a middleman. Independent bookshops can't value-add anything except in-person, and even then it's limited to creating a nice environment. I love my local bookshop, and we're buying from them during the crisis to be delivered, but being honest…

The value-add of bookstores is discovery. You can browse a bookstore. I don't go to a physical bookstore if I know I want to buy . I go to a bookstore because I want to find something interesting on a certain topic.

You can browse Amazon of course, but for some reason it's still an awful user experience.

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