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Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by hanche » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 4:34 PM UTC

Melting_Harps wrote: post #108

willvarfar wrote: post #73

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Old timers here may recall The Cod Wars? Iceland and Britain duked it out in three major confrontations, the navies ramming each other but not firing a shot. There are some truly spectacular videos on YouTube etc.

> Iceland and Britain duked it out in three major confrontations, the navies ramming each other but not firing a shot. Huh! I had no idea, and just did some research on it. Apparently it started in the 50s and ended in '76. It kind of gives further context to the Icelandic People's reaction regarding the 2008 Icesave scandal towards the UK. Who went on to put Iceland on the UK's Terrorist list. The UK got paid back i…

I remember this quite well. As I recall from the news, the incident went roughly like this: Icelandic coast guard vessel approaches British trawler, orders it to stop and haul in the trawl. Trawler refuses. Coast guard fires warning shots. Trawler keeps going. Coast guard calls up the trawler, tells them to assemble all crew at the aft end, as they are going to fire on the bow. Crew moves aft, shots fired as promised. Now damaged trawler escorted to harbour. All very civilised.

I think it was after this incident that Iceland started figuring out how you can cut the trawl instead. Losing a trawl is a major loss; these things are expensive.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by Zooper » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 4:52 PM UTC

mhh__ wrote: post #129

dntbnmpls wrote: post #109

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> The US ought to invade Venezuela. Interesting coming from someone who claims to feel for the hardships of venezuelans. > Venezuelans are hungry and destitute due to the regime They are hungry because of crippling economic sanctions. > and the country's domestic turmoil Started by foreign desire for regime change. > It's truly disgusting the kind of inhumanity that Russia and Cuba have propped up in Venezuela. They…

Which elections? If you mean the ones I think you do, they were a complete farce. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential...

US is in a clear-cut info war with US citizens in order to attempt to coerce them into a war; we need to fully neuter its ability to do this to its own citizens and hold those doing it to account. This is US propaganda; end of story. Full stop. This is an attempt to facilitate a major act of violence against innocent people under the guise of a benevolent conquest in order to secure oil.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by dzaragozar » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 5:04 PM UTC

LatteLazy wrote: post #107

dzaragozar wrote: post #88

This new seem to be an April fools joke. There's no mention of the incident in Venezuelan press,nor Reuters nor AP.

I don't k ow about the Venezuelan press, but the Times of London, Popular Mechanics and Deutsche Welle are all reporting it. Plus its April 3rd now...

Indeed I see it now. The statement was published on April first and no mention in the news was weird.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by dzaragozar » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 5:05 PM UTC

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #101

dzaragozar wrote: post #88

This new seem to be an April fools joke. There's no mention of the incident in Venezuelan press,nor Reuters nor AP.

Sounds like the cruise company is on the joke then: https://www.columbia-cs.com/statement-on-rcgs-resolute- incident/

Indeed I see it now. The statement was published on April first and no mention in the news was weird.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by greedo » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 6:09 PM UTC

agapon wrote: post #121

greedo wrote: post #60

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The Russians also used ramming to capture several Ukrainian ships near Crimea.

This is not correct. Russian did not achieve anything by ramming, they even damaged one of their ships instead. The Ukrainian ships effectively surrendered after overwhelming Russian forces opened live fire near and on them. The Wikipedia has it right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident#The_inci...

They damaged their own ship, not by ramming the Ukrainians, but by accidentally colliding with each other.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by vonmoltke » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 7:22 PM UTC

adonovan wrote: post #125

An act of piracy off the island of Tortuga? Cue Michael Bolton!

Tortuga is off the north coast of Haiti.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by mixmastamyk » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 7:31 PM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #91

Why was the cruise ship in those waters? The ship was in the news last November about how they had no money and canceled a planned cruise, and I can't figure out what it's been doing since then.

Article says they were drifting during engine maintenance. Likely why they couldn't respond quickly.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by boomboomsubban » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 7:53 PM UTC

mixmastamyk wrote: post #137

boomboomsubban wrote: post #91

Why was the cruise ship in those waters? The ship was in the news last November about how they had no money and canceled a planned cruise, and I can't figure out what it's been doing since then.

Article says they were drifting during engine maintenance. Likely why they couldn't respond quickly.

That doesn't explain why they were there.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by mixmastamyk » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 8:00 PM UTC

boomboomsubban wrote: post #138

mixmastamyk wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Article says they were drifting during engine maintenance. Likely why they couldn't respond quickly.

That doesn't explain why they were there.

The article gives an explanation. Maybe you don't believe it, but it is plausible.

Re: Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by sudoaza » Fri, Apr 03, 2020, 8:08 PM UTC

totalZero wrote: post #96

boomboomsubban wrote: post #90

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The US could not want to invade, instead opting to arm and assist an insurgency in Venezuela. A cruise liner that is supposed to be arrested in Buenos Aires would make for an excellent way to smuggle in supplies and mercenaries. Or they want a civil war that they can then assist with. We have done similar things in the past, in Syria and a host of Latin American countries. Even in Venezuela, the US aid Maduro forbid…

Look at the Latin American countries where the US propped up dictatorships in defense against the spread of Communism. Compare those places to nations like Nicaragua and Cuba. Which are the places where people starve, and which are the places where people thrive? The problem with decrying US participation in domestic political affairs in Latin America during the Cold War is that the US was successful in fending off t…

Yes look at it, Cuba has the best public health service and the lowest child mortality while in Chile people flee their college debts and there is no public health system. Nevermind the thousands of tortured, murdered and kidnapped children caused by the US baked dictatorships.