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Re: Three free meals available daily for any New Yorker

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Post by jamil7 »

smooth_remmy wrote: post #51
nvahalik wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Without universal basic income, we are totally f@cked UBI isn't a savior. UBI still requires that people, you know, pay taxes. If 30-40% of people have no income and are completely dependent upon the government, then you have slavery 2.0 (3.0?) and you will end up creating a worse, classed society than you had before: the ones receiving vs. those who pay for what everyone else gets. Or the government just prints mo…

Taxing only the wealthiest americans could easily fund a UBI for everyone else. The middle class will not have to make any sacrifices

The wealthiest will find ways of either not paying those taxes or leave the country.

Re: Three free meals available daily for any New Yorker

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Post by jsonne »

tren-hard wrote: post #18

One of those things I wish could out last this virus. We'd be so much better off as a society if we could at least keep our people fed. The comments in here seem a little negative currently but this is great news. Think of all the people in NYC who didn't have access to clean and regular food before the virus.

As of 2018 40 million Americans received more than 57 billion dollars in SNAP. It seems like largely the US has been and will continue to keep people fed. Note also that this is just 1 Federal program and doesn't mention the multitude of other state level and city level programs that exist as well as private charities, religious organizations, etc.

Please note I am not saying the system is perfect, shouldn't be expanded, or is beyond criticism in some way. I just think that a more nuanced conversation is warranted if we're going to talk about these sorts of things.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Nutrition_Assista...

Re: Three free meals available daily for any New Yorker

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Post by zelltech »

programmernews3 wrote: post #79
JackPoach wrote: post #11

NYC today, everywhere else in a few days/weeks. Without universal basic income, we are totally f@cked. 30-40% of people are without income and it's either soup kitchens and spike in crime, or UBI.

At least if they implement UBI then the need to build the wall on the border will increase. You cant give away money for free and NOT have strong borders.

Not true - technically everything is free so it will be fine to keep giving as-is; the combination will help stimulate the economy and improve the lives of all Americans

Re: Three free meals available daily for any New Yorker

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Post by kingkawn »

DiffEq wrote: post #80
tren-hard wrote: post #18

One of those things I wish could out last this virus. We'd be so much better off as a society if we could at least keep our people fed. The comments in here seem a little negative currently but this is great news. Think of all the people in NYC who didn't have access to clean and regular food before the virus.

With more people obese than not in this country, keeping people well fed is not a problem that we have.

Tone deaf and self-righteous moralizing is absurd in this era

Re: Three free meals available daily for any New Yorker

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Post by Hello71 »

jsonne wrote: post #92
tren-hard wrote: post #18

One of those things I wish could out last this virus. We'd be so much better off as a society if we could at least keep our people fed. The comments in here seem a little negative currently but this is great news. Think of all the people in NYC who didn't have access to clean and regular food before the virus.

As of 2018 40 million Americans received more than 57 billion dollars in SNAP. It seems like largely the US has been and will continue to keep people fed. Note also that this is just 1 Federal program and doesn't mention the multitude of other state level and city level programs that exist as well as private charities, religious organizations, etc. Please note I am not saying the system is perfect, shouldn't be expan…

and yet according to the USDA, "11.1 percent of households were food insecure at least some time during the year, including 4.3 percent (5.6 million households) that had very low food security".

Re: Three free meals available daily for any New Yorker

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Post by ensignavenger »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #84
DiffEq wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With more people obese than not in this country, keeping people well fed is not a problem that we have.

https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/facts > More than 38 million people are living in poverty in America. In 2019, most families living in poverty earn less than $25,750 per year. > More than 37 million people struggle with hunger in the United States, including more than 11 million children.

Curious what their definition of "struggle with hunger" is? I couldn't find it on their site.

Re: Three free meals available daily for any New Yorker

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Post by kingkawn »

tnel77 wrote: post #36
JCharante wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As in, don't speak for the non-americans or you think this problem isn't going to affect people with savings, because I think that a huge proportion of the population being broke will have consenquences for the rest.

There are consequences for everyone, but some people may come out ahead on this one. I’ve locked in a crazy low refinancing rate on my mortgage, I’m going to refinance student debt, and my child staying home saves me A LOT since I don’t have to pay for daycare. There are consequences, but I may literally be better off financially (assuming the virus doesn’t get me). Edit: Example of consequences being my high-interes…

All of your individual benefits are far outweighed by the collective loss of stability

Re: Three free meals available daily for any New Yorker

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Post by brewdad »

solotronics wrote: post #82
collyw wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you get food banks in the US?

If you have a stable tech job and are in a good position right now please donate cash to your local food bank. Many people have lost their jobs and schools are closed, lots of kids in lower income areas get most of their food from school meals.

But donate cash, or at least contact them to see what, specifically, they need. Donating that 3 year old can of creamed corn hiding in the back of your pantry is worse than doing nothing at all.

Re: Three free meals available daily for any New Yorker

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Post by hkai »

smooth_remmy wrote: post #51
nvahalik wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Without universal basic income, we are totally f@cked UBI isn't a savior. UBI still requires that people, you know, pay taxes. If 30-40% of people have no income and are completely dependent upon the government, then you have slavery 2.0 (3.0?) and you will end up creating a worse, classed society than you had before: the ones receiving vs. those who pay for what everyone else gets. Or the government just prints mo…

Taxing only the wealthiest americans could easily fund a UBI for everyone else. The middle class will not have to make any sacrifices

Did you do the math? Somehow it doesn't work out

Re: Three free meals available daily for any New Yorker

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Post by dragonwriter »

programmernews3 wrote: post #79
JackPoach wrote: post #11

NYC today, everywhere else in a few days/weeks. Without universal basic income, we are totally f@cked. 30-40% of people are without income and it's either soup kitchens and spike in crime, or UBI.

At least if they implement UBI then the need to build the wall on the border will increase. You cant give away money for free and NOT have strong borders.

> At least if they implement UBI then the need to build the wall on the border will increase.

No, a border wall will remain an ineffective boondoggle that serves only vanity even with a UBI.

> You cant give away money for free and NOT have strong borders.

First, a UBI is defined as lacking means or behavior testing, that doesn't mean that the universe of recipients isn't either just adult citizens or adults who are either citizens or lawful permanent residents. The higher UBI with either of those recipient pools, the less economically attractive illegal immigration is, especially if UBI replaces or reduces (say, by $1/hr for every $2000/yr of UBI) minimum wage, thereby reducing the attractiveness of under the table sub-minimum wage labor.

Second, even if UBI wasn't a tool for stronger borders and did make illegal immigration more attractive, it wouldn't magically change the fact that the border wall isn't a tool for strong borders.

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