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Venezuelan ship sinks itself after ramming cruise liner with a reinforced hull

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Post by agapon »

greedo wrote: post #60
i_am_proteus wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ramming (or "shouldering") is not that uncommon. The Chinese Coast Guard has built large, lightly-armed ships[1] partly because the size helps them ram/shoulder other ships out of the way in the course of attempting to build artificial islands and claim sovereignty in the South China Sea. Of course, ramming an 8500-ton icebreaker with a 1500-ton corvette is a different story, and in the Venezuelan case, the stupid ha…

The Russians also used ramming to capture several Ukrainian ships near Crimea.

This is not correct. Russian did not achieve anything by ramming, they even damaged one of their ships instead. The Ukrainian ships effectively surrendered after overwhelming Russian forces opened live fire near and on them. The Wikipedia has it right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident#The_inci...

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Post by eatbitseveryday »

ansible wrote: post #23

This is insane. I can't imagine what was going through the Venezuelan captain's head trying to do this. It's one thing if the shooting is already started to defend yourself. But even if this stunt had worked, you're looking at many months of downtime while your ship is being repaired in drydock. Millions of dollars, and bigtime loss of capability for a small navy. Unless you are an icebreaker, you just don't intentio…

> I can't imagine what was going through the Venezuelan captain's head trying to do this.

Well, the article does quote this, which sort of makes sense. Doesn’t seem like a totally insane idea, just really poorly implemented.

> The navy vessel continued to ram the starboard bow in an apparent attempt to turn the ship’s head towards Venezuelan territorial waters.

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Post by Fjolsvith »

iron0013 wrote: post #120
paulmd wrote: post #63

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haha, what's the under/over on this guy being a q-anon freak?

He is one.

Nah, this is a deep state false flag operation turned comic relief. To think this was QAnon is to not know anything about QAnon.

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Post by nradov »

parsimo2010 wrote: post #94
nradov wrote: post #12

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I've felt like I'm stuck in some alternate history timeline since 2001.

Since 2001? The CIA was actually trying to spy on the Russians via psychic powers in the late 1970's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stargate_Project (edit- I suppose it was the US Army and the CIA) There was a group of people that committed suicide to try and get their souls on a magical spaceship in the early 1970's: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaven%27s_Gate_(religious_gro... Weird stuff has been going on foreve…

That reminds me of a funny story. Back in the 90's before they all killed themselves, the Heaven's Gate UFO cult actually tried to recruit at my college by passing out flyers titled "Last Chance to Advance Beyond Human". Of course we all thought it was hilarious. Next week some guys threw a kegger and put up flyers to advertise: "One More Chance to Advance Beyond Human!"

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Post by mhh__ »

pmachinery wrote: post #102
fouc wrote: post #99

> Of course, this would not be the first time a country has seized, or attempted to seize, a commercial ship to exert its own pressure on its international opponents. Seems like many HN readers are failing to make it to this line, and are assuming "crazy captain" as the motivation.

> this would not be the first time Which the laughably biased article illustrates with Iran's "infamous" seizure of a British ship. Not the earlier British seizure of an Iranian vessel, which the Iranians were simply responding to, which is barely a footnote. I'm sure if a ship from an ally of a country brazenly attempting to overthrow the US government innocently "drifted" for days off the US coast before innocently…

The original British seizure was because it was in violation of international sanctions, no?

The Iranian seizure, whether it matters or not, was illegal as far as I'm aware.

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Post by mhh__ »

dntbnmpls wrote: post #109
totalZero wrote: post #93

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The US ought to invade Venezuela. It makes a whole lot more sense than invading Iraq or Syria. Venezuelans are hungry and destitute due to the regime, and the country's domestic turmoil has been spilling over into other nations where Venezuelan emigrants endure so much hardship in their travels that many of them turn to crime and panhandling just to be able to eat and have a place to sleep. It's truly disgusting the…

> The US ought to invade Venezuela. Interesting coming from someone who claims to feel for the hardships of venezuelans. > Venezuelans are hungry and destitute due to the regime They are hungry because of crippling economic sanctions. > and the country's domestic turmoil Started by foreign desire for regime change. > It's truly disgusting the kind of inhumanity that Russia and Cuba have propped up in Venezuela. They…

Which elections? If you mean the ones I think you do, they were a complete farce.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2018_Venezuelan_presidential...

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