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Re: Covid-19 Community Mobility Reports

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Why would anybody turn on location history? (Serious question, I don't even have Google Play Services in my phone). 95 % users are known not to touch any settings. I guess Google has a trick to make more of them do it. Which one?

Why wouldn't I? I can see where and when I was, how long I was there. It can give context to notes and photos. It's essentially an extension of memory.

If it's an extension of your memory, then why deliberately share it with others, with police, with FBI? There were many stories on HN how random people got into troubles because of this "feature".

Re: Covid-19 Community Mobility Reports

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Why would anybody turn on location history? (Serious question, I don't even have Google Play Services in my phone). 95 % users are known not to touch any settings. I guess Google has a trick to make more of them do it. Which one?

I'm pretty sure it is on by default: I'm both happy and paranoid about this.

I've found a phone using this. The spouse left the phone on the car: It fell off a bit past where we had stopped. This was on a mountaintop, in the countryside, traveling back from Sweden to Trondheim - not too far from the Swedish border. Location services meant we could head out and look for it. We could see if it was moving (it wasn't, so it likely wasn't stolen) and we were able to use my phone to find his. It was pretty accurate, even in that location. The phone was only a few months old. It had some scratches, but was otherwise fine. (I think the screen is now going out, but he drops his phone regularly at work and the waiting time for a new screen was 5-6 months to get the screen).

But I do understand that it means that governments could track us: Companies obviously are and I shudder to think of a motivated, angry ex or a motivated stalker. Turning the phone off doesn't help, and I don't know how far "turning off tracking" goes since there are ways to get, at least, a general location using tower information. I keep hoping that it'll turn into a greater good sort of thing, but this will only happen if governments change laws to better match people's behaviors so long as they aren't endangering others. I don't think that would happen in the US without major change, but I have hope where I'm at.

Re: Covid-19 Community Mobility Reports

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why wouldn't I? I can see where and when I was, how long I was there. It can give context to notes and photos. It's essentially an extension of memory.

If it's an extension of your memory, then why deliberately share it with others, with police, with FBI? There were many stories on HN how random people got into troubles because of this "feature".

And this is something that should be a call for change in government, a call for change in leadership, and a change in how the laws are structured. Perhaps better police/FBI training. And so on.

I'll also mention that these things are memorable because they are outliers in general, and sometimes spectacular. This is why we remember plane crashes and ignore the numerous shower accidents that kill folks.

Re: Covid-19 Community Mobility Reports

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I think that Google and Apple will be extremely helpful in the coming months, at least in the USA, for tracing the spread of COVID-19. Google and Apple know where probably 90+% of adults/teens in the USA are located in real time. If they are able to anonymously tell you that you were in the same building as someone who has tested positive for the virus then you could take extra precautions or further isolate yourself…

Having your medical records broadcasted to anyone nearby you, how could it go wrong?

Re: Covid-19 Community Mobility Reports

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Here is Sweden: https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-03-29_SE_Mobil... Clearly people are afraid but it's nowhere close to countries which enforced a lock-down.

Deaths have doubled in 3 days so Sweden is growing exponentially too, it just started a little later than other countries so it's in the part of the curve that feels pretty innocuous.

It's quite remarkable how similar the trajectories are starting from around the 1st death (though of course later trajectories might differ markedly depending on the measures taken now).

The FT has some good charts of this:

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest

Re: Covid-19 Community Mobility Reports

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Why would anybody turn on location history? (Serious question, I don't even have Google Play Services in my phone). 95 % users are known not to touch any settings. I guess Google has a trick to make more of them do it. Which one?

If you want to store places in maps for example, it gets turned on (last time I checked anyway). I imagine there are lots of little features like this which turn it on.

Re: Covid-19 Community Mobility Reports

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Here is Sweden: https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-03-29_SE_Mobil... Clearly people are afraid but it's nowhere close to countries which enforced a lock-down.

Deaths have doubled in 3 days so Sweden is growing exponentially too, it just started a little later than other countries so it's in the part of the curve that feels pretty innocuous. It's quite remarkable how similar the trajectories are starting from around the 1st death (though of course later trajectories might differ markedly depending on the measures taken now). The FT has some good charts of this: https://www.…

IMHO these are better (counting in cases/deaths per million inhabitants is much more comparable than absolute counts):

http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/covid19/

Namely (Sweden):

http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/covid19/#covid-eu-norm2

http://nrg.cs.ucl.ac.uk/mjh/covid19/#rates-nordic

Re: Covid-19 Community Mobility Reports

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India's mobility report[1] shows a spike in outside activities just before lockdown. I hope I am wrong but I think we are going to see spike in coronavirus cases just before end of lockdown. Not sure what government will do then. [1]: https://www.gstatic.com/covid19/mobility/2020-03-29_IN_Mobil...

I see no evidence at all of such a spike as you describe. In the last couple of weeks, you had janata curfew on the 22nd, and things plunged; at about that time, a fair fraction of the country went into lockdown, so on the 23rd and 24th numbers came back up, but not to baseline; then from the 25th, national lockdown, and everything’s back down to levels similar to the curfew day (some figures a bit higher, some a bit lower).

Re: Covid-19 Community Mobility Reports

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Fascinating data, the US generally showing a less than 50% change while other countries with national lock downs are >90%.

It'd be very interesting to see this data overlayed against cases of covid, you maysee them both follow a similar downward trend with a week or two delay. Possibly also determine what change in mobility is required to prevent exponential growth

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