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Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by dfcarney »

brunoqc wrote: post #65

Can you use tailscale with friends or does it only work with the same email address?

(Co-founder here). If you're referring to the free tier, it only supports a single email address at the moment. What some people have been doing is to create a fake Gmail address and sharing that with their family/friends to use as a common login.

We've been exploring the idea for a free (or significantly discounted) "family" plan (or even something like that for small teams). Please stay tuned over the coming weeks for some updates to our pricing and tiers.

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by microtherion »

nubela wrote: post #11

Is talescale really that popular? Who are upvoting these articles?

I can only speak for myself:

I was interested in WireGuard for a while, but setting it up properly seemed rather a daunting task to me. With Tailscale, this was literally a matter of minutes. I'm not sure I would pay $10/month for this, but the free solo plan is sufficient for my purposes and works great.

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by apankrat »

api wrote: post #88
apankrat wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I am absolutely shocked it took someone this long Because it's really hard to monetize it. Speaking from the experience. Edit - This particular bicycle gets reinvented on regular basis and in a nearly identical form. While technical details are difficult, the overall idea is rather simple. Rendezvous servers to coordinate the setup and NAT traversal + relays to handle the edge cases. The tricky part is the UX... bu…

I disagree. It is challenging to monetize, but so are many other things. I'll give what I think are my reasons: - It's "easy" to do a proof of concept here, but it's brutally hard to make it really work well and at scale. There are a lot of buggy NATs, highly restrictive firewalls, etc. Network virtualization, which is what you need for it to be general purpose rather than app specific, is another layer of difficulty…

I disagree that it's "brutally" hard, but to each his own.

The main issue is that the need is not well-defined and there are competing solutions that aren't as technically elegant, but as robust and as easily deployed. Competing with them on _P2P_ basis only is really hard. The only real technical benefit is lower latency... and even that may not hold true in aggressively shaped consumer networks. It used to be possible to get a bit of an edge from having near-zero hosting costs, but that's been far less relevant for a while now.

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by [deleted] »

c17r wrote: post #8
apenwarr wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(I'm a Tailscale co-founder) The idea is to avoid building yet another commercial service that holds onto your username and password. People have enough identities already. More details here: https://tailscale.com/blog/how-tailscale-works/ We know we keep getting feedback that people want a different way to authorize their accounts (especially for personal use), so we're looking at other options. We just really want…

Since it's mostly tech-savvy people here that want something else and I'm assuming it's an oauth process, perhaps github and/or gitlab?

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Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by c17r »

dave_universetf wrote: post #82
c17r wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since it's mostly tech-savvy people here that want something else and I'm assuming it's an oauth process, perhaps github and/or gitlab?

Github's on the list to support, yeah. We can speak most "identity provider" protocols these days (OAuth, OIDC, SAML, etc.), but it's this weird little universe: the protocols are meant to let you implement once to support everyone, but in practice every IdP has its own little idiosyncrasies that mean you need a little bit of dedicated code for each new IdP. So, we end up with a backlog of "support IdP X, which is os…

Thank you for your response. Having battle scars from handling authentication in an enterprise SaaS, you'll notice I chose my words carefully and didn't say "just do/use" :)

I really want to give you guys money for my personal use but $10/user/month is steep when I know the other users will only use it once it a blue moon (but of course, when they need it they'll REALLY need it).

If there was something like a "supporter plan" that was similar if not identical to the free plan but charged a flat fee, I'd be all over that.

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by mtmail »

dang wrote: post #64
armaxt wrote: post #10

I will get banned for this in a matter of minutes but I will say the truth to whoever think HN is fair. For the past 3 months, every, again EVERY post that was linked to Tailscale (not just the company domain but also the blog posts of the founders' websites), has gotten to the frontpage within minutes, with a full 100% hit rate. This cannot happen for any company, any project or anything else to be honest since ther…

> Thank you HN for proving me right You've been proven nothing of the sort. I buried your post and the submission itself while investigating this claim, even though you've been trolling HN threads with these rants for weeks now, using multiple accounts to do it, ignoring our requests to stop breaking the site guidelines, and barraging us with ranty emails to boot. I've looked closely at the data and found no evidence…

Good analysis and I can only agree.

I'm a HN user who regularly looks for patterns like connected accounts, weird upvote or comment behaviour in /newest, fake news, bots and reports those to the moderators.

Until today I haven't known about Tailscale, or not conciously remember the brand name. Every past article listed I would've probably upvoted. It fits with the HN audience, just like Docker, ElasticSearch, Cloudflare, gitlab or most polished SaaS companies targetting developers when they release a new major feature. There will always be a commercial/marketing component when companies release something, even more when a founder or employee answers questions in comments. Doesn't mean there's some kind of secret community who upvote each other. Or rather if there was the moderators, once notified, would've found and acted on that.

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by brunoqc »

dave_universetf wrote: post #90
brunoqc wrote: post #65

Can you use tailscale with friends or does it only work with the same email address?

(Tailscale employee here) For personal use, we're planning a "sharing" feature, so that you can share machines (or individual services) with friends, and they just show up on their network (after mutual approval, of course). It's a feature I very much want for my personal use of tailscale, so it's going to happen :)

That sounds awesome. Thanks!

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by _2d30 »

armaxt wrote: post #80
dang wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The "every" claim is false. This is a single user's personal war which has for whatever reason gotten trained on this company for the time being, and will no doubt move to some other target, since it's had other targets in the past.

The "every" claim is correct if you subtract this one exception https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22618517 which happens to be the least interesting post that really won't do much help for the company. Otherwise I stated all links above and you won't reply to it. And the real question that you still won't answer, how many very young/unknown companies have their posts on the HN's frontpage more than 4 times in less…

So like not every then?

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by api »

apankrat wrote: post #93
api wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree. It is challenging to monetize, but so are many other things. I'll give what I think are my reasons: - It's "easy" to do a proof of concept here, but it's brutally hard to make it really work well and at scale. There are a lot of buggy NATs, highly restrictive firewalls, etc. Network virtualization, which is what you need for it to be general purpose rather than app specific, is another layer of difficulty…

I disagree that it's "brutally" hard, but to each his own. The main issue is that the need is not well-defined and there are competing solutions that aren't as technically elegant, but as robust and as easily deployed. Competing with them on _P2P_ basis only is really hard. The only real technical benefit is lower latency... and even that may not hold true in aggressively shaped consumer networks. It used to be possi…

Things often seem easy to those who have done them already, but it's definitely hard for the vast majority of developers. It's also very hard when you try to do it at scale in a way that's enterprise-friendly and reliable.

Re: Tailscale has reached general availability

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Post by ta999999171 »

dang wrote: post #71
dclusin wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I google for "buy hacker news upvotes" I see someone selling them for $2. You don't need a network for it. If you spend time on your content marketing and you buy upvotes you'll get bumped to the front page and stay there. Tinfoil hat not necessary. When the HN plays favoritism in the vein of shilling for Y Combinator portfolio companies they make it fairly obvious to anybody paying attention. The portfolio compan…

Those spammers are ripping off their own customers. What actually happens when people use that service is that they get their sites and accounts banned. I can't claim this in all cases, because I don't have a list of all their customers, but we've done it dozens of times and we have much independent verification in the form of user confessions and mea culpas. (We're softies when it comes to forgiving people, by the w…

Two things:

Please stick to this, new features aren't necessary! (You've heard this 10,000x before, but, reinforcing for posterity.

...could you un-shadowban me/whatever the state of my account is right now?

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