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Azure cracks, AWS strong: Covid-19 stress-tests the cloud

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Re: Azure cracks, AWS strong: Covid-19 stress-tests the cloud

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> Since Microsoft’s other businesses are either hardware or office software, with the exception of maybe XBox’s gaming, it generally lacks operational experience in running “always on” services and preparing for unanticipated traffic surges. Uh, as a former Microsoft equivalent of a SRE this is a utterly ridiculous statement. I was in the Windows division on a team handling all the incoming telemetry - we definitely…

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Re: Azure cracks, AWS strong: Covid-19 stress-tests the cloud

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A better comparison would be between Azure and GCP, both of them provide office suite (SAAS) to customers. Google recently released its side of the numbers ( https://cloud.google.com/blog/topics/inside-google-cloud/how... )

AWS also provides office suite to customers: WorkMail, WorkDocs, Chime messaging, etc.

Are they even in the same league as O365 and G-suite, usage wise?

Only asking because I'd never heard of these services before

Re: Azure cracks, AWS strong: Covid-19 stress-tests the cloud

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"It’s safe to say that AWS runs a much bigger, if not more critical, chunk of the digital world than Azure" noooo... it isn't. It's just that the people we know use AWS. Most people use office, sharepoint, outlook and exchange - especially exchange.

AWS even admits that only 5% of enterprise IT spend is in the cloud.

Re: Azure cracks, AWS strong: Covid-19 stress-tests the cloud

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One thing that probably helps AWS is that they have experience preparing for peak usage given Amazon's peak traffic (and others) on some events during the year, such as black Friday, Prime Day, major holidays, etc.

Please don’t start down the false road that AWS came out of excess capacity that Amazon had.

You didn’t state that explicitly, just making sure that no one rose thinks that.

Re: Azure cracks, AWS strong: Covid-19 stress-tests the cloud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are judging by what actions you were taking to make things better. Everyone else judges by what results they see. Based on my experience, Azure is not as good at AWS and Google at actually keeping things up and running when the shit hits the fan. And AWS is not as good as Google. (That said, AWS exposes a lot more to customers than Google does. Google may stay up, but I prefer running software in the AWS cloud.)…

Google? Did not they have a multi-hour outage just a few days ago?

they had some issues in the IAM services, causing retries and latency, but none of my gce and gke infrastructure showed anything on our monitoring.

Re: Azure cracks, AWS strong: Covid-19 stress-tests the cloud

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Doesn't seem like a particularly balanced article. Plus some downright bizarre statements. GCP is "not big enough to be stress tested on the same level."??? Even smaller operations are subject to stress proportionately and I'm using a hell of a lot of google hangouts conferences...

Do major Google services even run on GCP? My understanding was that they don't...

No, this is why GCP is fairly crap when comparing to AWS. Google doesn't actually use GCP for building anything so they have less incentive to actually make it better, that or it means they don't understand the issues with it.

At least with AWS you know that Amazon dog-foods the hell out of it and have a major incentive to improve it.

Re: Azure cracks, AWS strong: Covid-19 stress-tests the cloud

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post #41

"It’s safe to say that AWS runs a much bigger, if not more critical, chunk of the digital world than Azure" noooo... it isn't. It's just that the people we know use AWS. Most people use office, sharepoint, outlook and exchange - especially exchange.

AWS even admits that only 5% of enterprise IT spend is in the cloud.

I think its safe to say that more consumer services are using AWS than Azure, things like Spotify, Netflix, Snapchat, etc. But when it comes to large enterprises, I'd bet that Azure is first place by a significant margin.

Given that these enterprises power a significant chunk of the worlds supply chains, manufacturing processes and so on, I'd say that the piece of the digital world that Azure offers is way more critical.

Re: Azure cracks, AWS strong: Covid-19 stress-tests the cloud

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

and have 6% representation in the Senate...

That's what the house is for. The senate is there so the larger states don't trample over, say, Idaho. Majority rules does NOT work for the USA. You have to think of us as the EU with member votes for each country (country being state). This nation is not supposed to be about the federal government, it all went to shit around 9/11 and has continued to do so.

> Majority rules does NOT work for the USA.

That's certainly what the people who put the 3/5ths rule thought.

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