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From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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OMG Garden in Auckland is an urban garden that produces 1000NZD per week in commercial produce sales. They think they can get to 1400 per week. Small They have full time farmer.

Is that 1,000 NZD profit, or revenue? It also looks heavily reliant on volunteer effort, basically free labor.

Revenue I think. They have a full time farmer. I don't have all the details, but I think it's main focus is education and as a model.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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It takes a full acre of land to feed a single person.

I'll grant you that for the sake of discussion (although I don't think it's strictly true), but that acre doesn't have to be all in one place eh? Every bit helps. My sister's neighbor farmed in his (San Francisco) backyard and got about 3~4 crops a year, all year round. It wasn't enough to feed their whole family but it helped.

In fact, 1 acre is actually very difficult to get enough food out of. The more common estimate is actually 3 acres for a more varied diet.

1 acre full of potatoes is not what I want in my life.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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At some point enough harvests will be missed because of lockdown that famines become inevitable. The choice to risk it will probably me made too late. Not sure why I'm getting downvoted. Food takes months to grow and needs to be harvested within a short window. By the time people realize there's a famine coming it will be too late. Just look at how we could have prepared in January for this virus if people weren't so…

I'm downvoting this because it's a huge claim without adequate evidence. Feel free to cite some sources showing what % of harvests have been missed, etc, and I'll change my downvote.

Huh? The un already warned about this.

Also, its also not that simple as stated by op.

Its also a supply chain issue. Which could be worse than anything else.

Drivers getting sick. Cargo ship captains getting sick etc etc etc.

Stuff might stop coming even if available in China.

How do you repair your farmers tech? Especially sometimes it is licked behind a paywall, where you cant just use any wheel. It must be from company xxx.

We will find out soon that those paywalls will cause real real real world issues

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Ditto. The only downside to this method is having to transplant twice: once to soil pots after sprouting, then to the ground.

If the seeds are in paper towel, wouldn't you just plant it as is and let it decompose?

Oh yes. You'll destroy the roots if you try to separate it. What I meant is that you will typically only sprout seeds that way. Then you put them in a small starter pot or similar with soil to get them to continue growing inside. Then transplanting them into the ground once ready. This is opposed to just sprouting in the starter pot.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Ditto. The only downside to this method is having to transplant twice: once to soil pots after sprouting, then to the ground.

> Ditto. The only downside to this method is having to transplant twice: once to soil pots after sprouting, then to the ground. Consider getting a soil block maker, it makes propagation and transplanting so much easier: https://growagoodlife.com/soil-blocks-for-growing-seedlings-...

I'm one of today's lucky 10,000! Thanks for sharing I will definitely look into getting one of those.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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ennnnnnnnt. That's the buzzer, signaling that this is some bullshit. No one wants to die period. full stop. Greedy to the very end.

Guess what? Everyone dies. And every day is a choice between things that increase that risk. Saying "no one wants to die, stop being greedy!" as if you can eliminate all deaths through a simple action is a nice low effort slogan that doesn't make any sense in the real world.

No, you don't allow or push people to die just for a few extra greenbacks.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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So, to put it bluntly, people are sitting on ass and their food crops are rotting in the field? Even if you do nothing the market will probably fix it: Less food in the markets > high demand drives up prices > higher salaries > slightly lower prices At some point some people are hungry enough to get a... shall we say... real job? With some regulatory sanity we subsidize it a bit. Perhaps we should test and quarantine…

What if there’s simply not enough food?

You harvest what you grow. If there is not enough food we haven't planted enough.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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This may not apply here but you can't have your cake and eat it too. Exploitation doesn't have to be active but can emerge from perverse incentives, ignorance, and malicious opportunism. I imagine a large faction of people espousing more liberal viewpoints are at worst willfully disingenious or at best optimizing for the emotional/time investment of supporting ethical behaviour. My opinion, not taken as fact: young,…

I've had exactly the opposite experience. These city-dwelling liberals are quite conscientious about what they buy, supply chains, and their impact on the world.

It's definitely a spectrum that transcends anecdotes. I'm colored by people saying one thing and doing another, but I always keep an open mind because of this; looking for proof of action rather than intent. In that case, I think I was wrong in referring to a group of people under a constructed label as if they were the same person and judging them with my own presupposition.

Re: From Spain to Germany, farmers warn of fresh food shortages

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Thank you for both having the foresight to plan(t) as well as the willingness to help those around you. Otherwise you could end up like my neighbor with a strategic reserve level of toilet paper, proud to hoard yet share with no one even when the stores are empty.

I really do not understand this toilet paper thing. I mean as long as there is water, why people do not wash their asses. It is cleaner anyway... When I was young and we visited grandparents, we used newspaper.

Yeah, it took me a while to understand this behavior. However, it seems you can make a face mask to protect against CV-19 using toilet paper. Please do your research, I found too many links. In the situation you don't have a proper mask, a plastic mask, with holes, to keep toilet paper on your face may safe your life these days.
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