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Re: The Unreal Engine Wiki is now permanently offline

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Post by tempestn »

user5994461 wrote: post #119
tempestn wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It shouldn't be hard to save a static copy of the actual HTML and replace the dynamic site with that though. Or at least give others enough time to do the same.

It's not hard, except when it is and it takes weeks of work. From my own experience: 1) httrack wasn't able to crawl anything for some reasons. wget only with special flags available in the latest version. 2) All the links are broken. Wiki have their own linking system between pages that are processed on the fly. The archive with all links hardcoded to wikidump.example.com/wikidump/page really doesn't work in place.…

Good points. Perhaps I should have said, "It should be very possible," or similar instead. I'm sure there would be challenges, but I would expect them to be surmountable.

Re: The Unreal Engine Wiki is now permanently offline

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Post by oriel »

stallmanite wrote: post #129
sytelus wrote: post #72

This is bad, very bad. A complete and utter disrespect for people who poured in their blood and sweat in creating the content for them and for free. Migrating only "top" content is insufficient and so ignorant. The value of wiki is almost entirely in long tail. Vast majority of Unreal engine is undocumented where you get all kind of issues few have seen before. If it wasn't for the community creating content for them…

This kind of crap is why I will always prefer a local archive and use the hell out of youtube-dl and similar tools.

I'm in a similar boat. What other similar tools have you found yourself using? For example, Ive been learning the hell out of wget, but I find my tool library lacking or lacking in trust.

Re: The Unreal Engine Wiki is now permanently offline

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Post by jokoon »

crocodiletears wrote: post #39
jokoon wrote: post #6

Since I started using Ogre3D I always had a hard time settling down to feature rich engines like unreal or unity. I don't know how often, giving beginners access to a space shuttle, will it lead to a successful project that can compete with non-indie game developers. There is also a fine line between an indie team of developers who can benefit from those tools, and experienced game developers who would not need them.…

I think you're discounting the value of the tools Unity and UE offer to experienced developers/teams, and ignoring that outside a few exceptions, Indies haven't really been able to compete with AAA Devs since the PS2 era, when games more or less got programmed from scratch, or were adapted from the brittle code of previous titles. Nearly every major studio or publisher has a similar toolset they've either built from…

> Engines allow anyone to make AAA level experiences with AAA levels of graphical fidelity now.

They allow it, but those indie devs don't seem to compete with AAA games. What's the catch then? I think that it's performance, game design, experience, etc. It's pointless to compete with big game studios on the same types of games.

> AAA level experiences

Sorry but what exactly is this? That's not what makes indie games interesting. And I don't think indie game devs will really achieve those "AAA" things.

Re: The Unreal Engine Wiki is now permanently offline

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Post by mekster »

onion2k wrote: post #110
smacktoward wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So crawl the Wiki pages, grind out static HTML copies of them, and make those available. Not many security risks associated with static HTML. What am I missing here?

Static content needs a web server and a way to move the content to the server (ftp, sftp, rsync..), and ssl certification, and a DNS entry, and DDOS protection, and a way to manage credentials for those things. It's not zero risk at all . There are plenty of ways to attack a static site. The only way static is safer is because you're not executing scripts on the server (which is a massive win, I don't want to down pl…

Like what problem specifically that you cannot mitigate? If you can't just host static contents on a new empty server and get it going, how does the rest of the world work at all?

That is just an excuse.

Re: The Unreal Engine Wiki is now permanently offline

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Post by rs23296008n1 »

rs23296008n1 wrote: post #19
axlee wrote: post #15

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You could host that wiki for ten bucks a month.

Depends on traffic/content, but yeah text is cheap. Might grab a copy of the archive for reference then local host it. We've got a ton of internal references that will be broken. We haven't touched UE for about 10 months.

Not sure why someone disagreed without a supporting comment.

Every line is fact.

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