What the Heck Is Pyproject.toml?

Post by nicoburns » Thu, Apr 02, 2020, 9:34 AM UTC

harikb wrote: post #22

fermienrico wrote: post #4

Python desperately needs a better packaging solution than pip from Python Software Foundation. Stop all new features until this - the biggest pain point for Python across all expertise levels from newbies to experienced Python programmers - is officially solved. No pipenv, no poetry, no conda, etc from third party devs who sometimes get tired of the pressure [1]. It is immense. Combine all this virtualenv stuff with…

I teach Python to some middle school kids. Pip vs Pip3 and PYTHONPATH wasted entirety of two class sessions. By the way, Python should go beyond Go. It should single binary the someone can install without root privileges. The fact that I have hundreds of Chromebooks at my school and I can’t use any of them - school IT, correctly, doesn’t want me mucking with advanced settings.

Post by BiteCode_dev » Thu, Apr 02, 2020, 9:47 AM UTC

williamdclt wrote: post #114

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #97

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> There is no greater hell than talking them through installing a working Python environment. It’s impossible. I give a lot of Python professional trainings, and I get to do that regularly, in very diverse situations. It's indeed full of gotchas. Since it's not going to be solved quickly, meanwhile, here is what works if you need to help people setuping python: 1 - Install Python correctly The first version Python do…

That's a pretty solid guide! It's even useful for me that writes Python (non-exclusively) professionally. My company settled on pipenv, and we regret it. It's slow and buggy and has crazy behaviour. It's not bad enough that it's worth updating all projects (or rather, there's no good enough alternative) but I regret about once a week having advocated for it. Note: I think you made a mistake, you say that you can rena…

Post by avip » Thu, Apr 02, 2020, 9:49 AM UTC

fermienrico wrote: post #4

Python desperately needs a better packaging solution than pip from Python Software Foundation. Stop all new features until this - the biggest pain point for Python across all expertise levels from newbies to experienced Python programmers - is officially solved. No pipenv, no poetry, no conda, etc from third party devs who sometimes get tired of the pressure [1]. It is immense. Combine all this virtualenv stuff with…

Post by j88439h84 » Thu, Apr 02, 2020, 9:56 AM UTC

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #99

j88439h84 wrote: post #12

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Poetry is a modern packaging system for Python. It's really good. I hope everyone converges on it. http://python-poetry.org/

Unfortunately, you need to: - discover it - install it properly - run it properly - make it create a venv with the proper python version - potentially import data from existing setup.py/cfg - make sure you are always in the right dir when you use it - not be on windows (poetry shell doesn't work there) - IDE integration is not great - people have to chose between this, pip, pip-tools, flit, pipenv, dephell, conda...…

Post by wildfire » Thu, Apr 02, 2020, 10:03 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #110

mixmastamyk wrote: post #105

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Those are great when you need big or fast, but py is much better at the smaller, easier to write end.

Ah, so Python is for small and slow, doesn't seem to be the best in everything after all. Which brings us back to "nice scripting and introduction to programming language".