Setting up Jitsi on a very basic Linux VM is super easy. I know, because I am terrible at server setup and even I was able to do it in a couple of hours this morning.
Yes, but what do you know about its security?
SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
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Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#62Zoom is such a bizarre product. For huge video calls, it tends to perform as well or better than everything else out there. Yet at the same time it literally seems like straight-up malware and seems to violate your trust and privacy left and right every step of the way, even in the installer (!).
To be fair it does perform better than everything else, which is why people are so forgiving of it, but it still doesn't excuse their ineptitude on privacy and security.
Yeah. Security and privacy preclude performance.
Like ... i dont need a Ferrari with an activated self destruct. ill take the camry, thanks.
Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#63Zoom is such a bizarre product. For huge video calls, it tends to perform as well or better than everything else out there. Yet at the same time it literally seems like straight-up malware and seems to violate your trust and privacy left and right every step of the way, even in the installer (!).
Ever used IDA Pro?
Please elaborate
Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
they appear to have already changed this to "your client connection is encrypted"
which means fuck all.
It means that it's opaque to your ISP and other people on your network, which is at the very least useful for people using it at McDonald's or a university.
Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#65They also don't use AWS.
Pretty definitive statement there. Source?
Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#66Zoom is such a bizarre product. For huge video calls, it tends to perform as well or better than everything else out there. Yet at the same time it literally seems like straight-up malware and seems to violate your trust and privacy left and right every step of the way, even in the installer (!).
It was one of the fastest-growing SAAS companies before coronavirus hit despite all the free competition.
The reason? "It just works."
It's clear their singular focus on making it "just work" for even the least tech-savvy users has led them to prioritise user experience over security/privacy. I imagine a rebalancing is coming.
Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#67The fact that they show end users (no pun intended) an "end-to-end encrypted" badge on the meeting window itself, and elsewhere explain how a Zoom server (not Zoom client) is what constitutes an "end" despite the whole rest of the electronic communication industry using "end-to-end" to refer exclusively to user agents, is bonkers.
Agreed. It's unlikely they stumbled onto an industry standard phrase like that alone, then innocently used it without knowing the generally accepted meaning. This is deceptive advertising.
Not defending zoom here -- they done fucked up -- but there is a huge disconnect between the marketing folks and the technical folks. It's possible that E2E Encryption was something they planned on implementing but haven't, and the marketing department either didn't get the memo or didn't understand and still kept the wording.
Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#68Zoom is such a bizarre product. For huge video calls, it tends to perform as well or better than everything else out there. Yet at the same time it literally seems like straight-up malware and seems to violate your trust and privacy left and right every step of the way, even in the installer (!).
To be fair it does perform better than everything else, which is why people are so forgiving of it, but it still doesn't excuse their ineptitude on privacy and security.
In my experience Google's Hangout Meetings have been at least as good or better quality and the interface is far superior in my opinion. For example it works in the browser without any plugins (even in Firefox.)
Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#69Being the Linux geek, I use MS Teams. I even use it with its Linux client, and works astonishingly well.
My only 2 grievances with it are:
1. Teams steals focus to make the next message on a group, rather than in the threat ALL THE TIME. Ive been there for a dozen comments because Teams stole cursor focus.
2. Its easy to make an invite to a one-shot room, rather than use an existing room. Doing so loses all history and provenance and discussion. And there's no "merge this room with the real place" when that happens.
But all in all, Ive been on 130+ person calls with no issue. Works very well, aside those issues above.
Re: SpaceX bans Zoom over privacy concerns
#70To those saying SpaceX is subject to ITAR and defence standards, what does that say for anyone in healthcare, finance, California or Europe? Zoom is looking like it’s closer to Discord than Slack.
Zoom and Slack are both FedRamp authorized for government use. Zoom is even authorized Moderate, while Slack is still being audited for that rating.
https://marketplace.fedramp.gov/#/product/zoom-for-governmen... https://marketplace.fedramp.gov/#/product/slack