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Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all
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Re: Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all
#42Earlier quoted context omitted.
Seriously. They made a great product that just works in a space where most competitors (BlueJeans, Google Hangouts, Skype, FaceTime) just have crazy drawbacks. Give them a chance to make things right ffs.
This would be a legitimate argument if their pervasive shadiness and deployment of dark patterns were an accident, or an error. It's not. They have already done things "right" in their view, and it is reflected consistently in their actions. If they make any corrections now, it will be on a PR basis in response to perceived customer upset, not because they are sorry or wish to respect users or privacy. They've been a…
nobody fucking cares
Re: Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all
#43I've seen about 10 different articles against Zoom during the past 3 days. I really don't enjoy using Zoom, but the volume and frequency of criticism is odd. Has anyone figured out where it's coming from?
neckbeards. you can find plenty of them in this thread.
Re: Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all
#44Reliability goes a long way and Zoom is very reliable, especially considering the recent spike of users. I value privacy, but I think the jury is still out on this company. They need time to react to the public scolding they're enduring as of late. Hopefully things change for the better and they take security more seriously after this. EDIT: A word
Google Meet seems to work pretty well if you have G Suite: https://gsuite.google.com/products/meet/
Re: Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all
#45Reliability goes a long way and Zoom is very reliable, especially considering the recent spike of users. I value privacy, but I think the jury is still out on this company. They need time to react to the public scolding they're enduring as of late. Hopefully things change for the better and they take security more seriously after this. EDIT: A word
Google Meet seems to work pretty well if you have G Suite: https://gsuite.google.com/products/meet/
Meet is garbage. Video drops a lot and you can’t even tile anything on their apps.
Re: Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all
#46Reliability goes a long way and Zoom is very reliable, especially considering the recent spike of users. I value privacy, but I think the jury is still out on this company. They need time to react to the public scolding they're enduring as of late. Hopefully things change for the better and they take security more seriously after this. EDIT: A word
I'm optimistic. Overall they got basic technology and market fit right in a very competitive market. They have had security issues but don't seem anywhere near the worst offender. That honor probably goes to Windows OS releases of yore. The security problems seem fixable if they put their minds to it. Other companies have messed this up but later regained trust.
> of yore
It isn't 2005 anymore; which is about when their approach to security would fit in.
Re: Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all
#47The one video chat app alternative no ones talking about because the majority of HNers don’t work in Microsoft shops: Teams, with 44 million DAU.
Focusing on growth first and security later is right out of Microsoft's playbook.
Zoom is more like focus on growth by actively undermining security first, and do who knows what later.
Re: Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They never planned ot be mission critical How do you figure? Wouldn't any enterprise-focused video conferencing software be considered mission critical?
Before COVID most non-remote companies could still function if their VC was broken; now it's impossible without VC.
Is video really that important? Sure it has benefit of being a bit more cozy, but in reality phone is sufficient to discuss work. Screenshare is much more important, especially for knowledge workers.
Re: Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all
#49> Then there’s Zoombombing, where trolls take advantage of open or unprotected meetings and poor default settings to take over screen-sharing and broadcast porn or other explicit material. The FBI this week warned users to adjust their settings to avoid trolls hijacking video calls.
I haven't really been following what is going on with Zoom. I have been vaguely aware of quite a few security issues.
However today I was linked youtube live stream from a friend on discord of some guy trolling random school classes while by pretending to be some sort of African Warlord. While his act was quite initially amusing and tbh harmless, it certainly didn't leave a positive impression of the software in my mind.
Re: Maybe we shouldn’t use Zoom after all
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
Before COVID most non-remote companies could still function if their VC was broken; now it's impossible without VC.
Is video really that important? Sure it has benefit of being a bit more cozy, but in reality phone is sufficient to discuss work. Screenshare is much more important, especially for knowledge workers.
Absolutely. A lot of real work involves face to face talking, not looking at a shared screen or document.