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FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by Legogris »

omginternets wrote: post #152
reaperducer wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is this problem unique to the USA? Every time this topic comes up on HN, someone asks that same question. Then there's a bunch of responses that are lots of suppositions. Then several people from small European countries chime in saying they've never had a spam call. Then a bunch of Europeans from large countries show up saying they get spam calls, too, and it's not just an American thing. "Why is this problem un…

Oh, I can actually weigh in here. In the past ten years, I've spent significant amounts of time in the US, France and the UK. In the UK, I get the occasional spam call ("I'm calling with regards to the recent accident that wasn't your fault..."). At its peak, I got about one such call per week. It's been months since I've had a spam call. In France, I got zero. In the 7 years I lived there, I got exactly zero. Every…

France has actually been the worst for me spam-call-wise - used to get daily calls until recently. I think it comes down to chance (handing over your cell to the wrong hairdresser/gym/restaurant/online shop/whatever) and once you're in the wrong register, the online thing you can do is rotate numbers.

Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by Autowired »

cletus wrote: post #184

Good. But really, why did this take this long? It should be relatively easy to identify the bad actors here and I don't mean the spammers, I mean the telcos that make this possible, deliberately so, by essentially "laundering" spam calls. My response to picking up a number is to answer the call and say nothing. Auto-dial systems will route the call to a person when they get a "live" response. I don't know the criteri…

> A human calling will wonder what is happening and fill the silence by saying something. A machine will not.

This is a naive assumption. I've come across robocallers that do exactly this. It is sort of trivial, if you think about it.

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Post by closeparen »

koheripbal wrote: post #116
mumblemumble wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A non-driver's state ID works for everything you'd use a driver's license for except operating a motor vehicle. Even though people typically say, "Driver's license" when they really mean either kind of state-issued ID card.

Isn't a driver's license nearly as easy to renew as a non-driving state ID? I don't see the point, even if you only need to rent a car on rare instances.

Driver’s Ed isn’t a rite of passage for New York City kids like it is in suburbia. Lots of people just never learned.

Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by m101 »

cletus wrote: post #184

Good. But really, why did this take this long? It should be relatively easy to identify the bad actors here and I don't mean the spammers, I mean the telcos that make this possible, deliberately so, by essentially "laundering" spam calls. My response to picking up a number is to answer the call and say nothing. Auto-dial systems will route the call to a person when they get a "live" response. I don't know the criteri…

My strategy has been to do the exact opposite. I've claimed to have had the accident, spoken to the real person, asked them to hold the line whilst I finish something off some "urgent" work, received the follow up call after they hang up and asked them to call me back in a couple hours, again kept them waiting a few minutes. It really wastes their time and turns me in to an expensive call for them. Yes, it's wasted my time, but if we all did this they'd quickly run out of money.

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Post by kelnos »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #260
nimish wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It took this long because the fcc is run by people who simply do not believe in using government to enforce oversight.

Good thing we replaced career lobbyist Tom Wheeler with someone who would actually do something, right? Are we so looking at the FCC through our worldview that we can't even acknowledge positive action? Wheeler was born on April 5, 1946 in Redlands, California. He attended Ohio State University.[7] From 1969 to 1976, Wheeler led the trade group Grocery Manufacturers of America.[8] He then went on to work at the Natio…

Nobody claimed Wheeler was any better.

Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by aasasd »

aasasd wrote: post #79
webkike wrote: post #2

If you’re wondering if STIR/SHAKEN was a James Bond reference, the answer is yes, and SHAKEN stands for “Signature-based Handling of Asserted information using toKENs”

I vaguely wonder sometimes as to what's the origin of the extreme US cheesiness with these names. Like, it's elementary-school level kitsch. So far my guess is ‘the forties’. Or maybe the fifties, with all the ‘atomic’ ridiculousness.

However, I gotta say I like the semantics where the more emotionally positive the title, the worse the actual bill is. Other countries tend to hide that behind uninformative titles or just numbers, so you have to read the actual bill to figure out if it's good or bad. With the US, you can be sure that a ‘GOODTHING’ bill would be something from 4chan.

The name in the post seems pretty emotionally neutral.

Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by kelnos »

koheripbal wrote: post #116
mumblemumble wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A non-driver's state ID works for everything you'd use a driver's license for except operating a motor vehicle. Even though people typically say, "Driver's license" when they really mean either kind of state-issued ID card.

Isn't a driver's license nearly as easy to renew as a non-driving state ID? I don't see the point, even if you only need to rent a car on rare instances.

Usually the state ID is cheaper, but not so much that if you already have a driver's license you'd "downgrade", most likely. YMMV, though.

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Post by kelnos »

blahedo wrote: post #190
laurencerowe wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The passport card is no longer valid for international flights, only entry by land or sea.

It was never valid for international flights. It is, however, valid as ID for domestic flights (and I have used it as such).

Entertainingly, it is even valid in lieu of a REAL ID if you don't get around to getting a new ID before Oct 2021.

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Post by unishark »

will4274 wrote: post #257
readme wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We shouldn't interfere in the free market. Those robocalls are just good old American ingenuity.

? Telecom is one of most regulated industries in the United States. Not sure why this pattern ("look how bad the free market is" @ highly regulated market) is so common here and on reddit.

Because apparently every discussion on every message board needs to be hijacked to talk about one of the internet's four favorite political narratives, if there is any marginal relationship whatsoever.

Someday we'll have A.I. to screen calls for us, and hopefully it can also screen this highly-upvoted-but-worthless tripe from message boards for us.

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