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Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by solidasparagus »

consultutah wrote: post #72
dzonga wrote: post #52

if FB didn't have privacy nightmares. They're well equipped to providing the solutions to the enterprise market. given that they probably have the most stable live video platforms which could be modified to support secure meetings

Right now zoom is going through a honeymoon phase. Only us geeks care about its security and privacy. After this is over though, people will start thinking it through and things will look a lot more like how FaceBook is viewed right now...

I'll happily trade my privacy for a video call that works properly. None of the various Zoom issues have been privacy problems that I really care about.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by blntechie »

sc11 wrote: post #110
blahedo wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also interesting about that photo: Five of the 25 have portrait-oriented video feeds. Tbh this may make more sense for this kind of thing (shows more of the person rather than more of the space they're in) but I'm thinking about the hardware—am I correct in inferring that those five are zooming from their mobile? Do high-level UK cabinet ministers not have laptops?

I'm speculating, but they might find it more convenient to use a separate device for the video chat? Especially if you're using your laptop a lot during the video call, it's quite convenient to have the chat open elsewhere.

Works for them I guess but when screensharing especially for code, mobile phones and tablets don’t work well.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by blntechie »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #134
syockit wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am out of the loop as to why Zoom is suddenly "blowing up". Even my workplace is using it now. Previously, we were using either Skype, Webex, or Jitsi. What does Zoom offer that the other three doesn't?

1. The gallery view (aka 'Brady Bunch' view) works significantly better than any other system, with a large number of users. Especially now where everyone is working remotely and you have large group chats IMO this is the biggest factor. 2. Related to the above, I have rarely, if ever, had a problem with Zoom quality. 3. The onboarding for new users (basically just share a link) is dead simple. Zoom realized that the…

I’m still not convinced these incremental improvements make it a $40 billion company.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by viraptor »

opless wrote: post #179
viraptor wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have to send all available qualities of the stream yourself. Normally the server does the recompression for lower qualities. That means: more processing power and more bandwidth needed. Where normally you'd be able to send 720p, now your device may not be able to handle doing both that and lower quality (2-3 streams) at the same time. This multiplies again with screen sharing. Basically it's doable, but if you ca…

Ugh. Multiple compression streams? Why? 720p would be too much IMHO.

720p is the standard laptop camera these days. You notice if anyone streams less. Next, desktop sharing is going to be at least 1080p. Then you need to have lower resolutions for anyone who can't handle that much on their connection. Same for desktop share.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by topher515 »

wlesieutre wrote: post #61
crazygringo wrote: post #47

This is a feature not a bug, to make joining meetings frictionless. (And in videoconferencing there's little distinction between meeting ID and password anyways -- they form a single access credential.) To prevent unwanted people from joining, the host simply has to turn on the waiting room feature -- where people who have dialed in have to be explicitly accepted by the host, which can be done individually or en mass…

You could have a second access code included in the invite but not printed right on the window in screenshots. It would be similar to how a credit card number and CCV code are functionally the same as one longer number, except that you don’t go writing the CCV code alongside the credit card number, and that keeps it more secret. Still not as frictionless as “anyone with the number can join,” but if this continues to…

I believe Zoom has the exact feature you’re describing—passwords for meetings.

https://support.zoom.us/hc/en-us/articles/360033559832-Meeti...

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by hartem_ »

jorvi wrote: post #199
Thorentis wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm surprised they're even allowed to use Zoom for a national cabinet meeting. Wouldn't the Gov have its own video chatting software that is self hosted?

In general (moreso focused on the EU than the Brits) I've never understood why the EU doesn't pump a billion a year, or a billion worth of dev hours a year into open source. That's an absolutely tiny, almost infitismal amount of EU budget (and even tinier for most member states their budget) and it would allow them to get out of the noose of closed source corporate support contracts and being beholden to foreign comp…

Maybe because it wouldn’t solve the problem? Building a great product requires so much more than just the money needed to do it. If money was the only thing required, no startup would probably exist and everything would be built by either governments or large corporations.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by josteink »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #134
syockit wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am out of the loop as to why Zoom is suddenly "blowing up". Even my workplace is using it now. Previously, we were using either Skype, Webex, or Jitsi. What does Zoom offer that the other three doesn't?

1. The gallery view (aka 'Brady Bunch' view) works significantly better than any other system, with a large number of users. Especially now where everyone is working remotely and you have large group chats IMO this is the biggest factor. 2. Related to the above, I have rarely, if ever, had a problem with Zoom quality. 3. The onboarding for new users (basically just share a link) is dead simple. Zoom realized that the…

> Zoom realized that the install process was a significant barrier and did more than anyone else to lower that barrier

Yes. By installing a local web server on every users PC, which was prone to remote execution exploits.

They really don’t give a shit about security and actively try to subvert every security measure put in place by browser and OS-vendors.

Why anyone would trust them with anything is beyond me.

Re: Trolls break into meetings on Zoom

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Post by mlyle »

kzrdude wrote: post #208

Why has Zoom picked up so much? Hangouts, Skype, facebook all are established with video group calling functionality

Few things that are "free" handle massive numbers of participants well. Yes, Skype for Business etc can, but those options are commercial. There's also less usable, obscure stuff that does OK.
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