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FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by battery_cowboy »

jborichevskiy wrote: post #161
dsmithn wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really hope so. I stopped answering calls from unknown numbers until a year ago when I got a call from the same number twice and it was a paramedic calling to let me know my wife was in a car accident. She was awake enough to remember my number but her phone was lost. So now I can't help but answer calls from unknown numbers even though I know 999 out of 1000 of them will be spam. It's abusive and an incredible was…

Missing an emergency call like that from a family member or close friend is one of my fears. I do hope these regulations come with teeth.

Most of those services use a different network, or their devices are flagged as emergency numbers and get some priority. Why doesn't the call from a paramedic or other emergency number go through as a high-priority call and indicate as such? When I call 911 my cell goes all nuts telling me about how it's got priority service and the UI changes to an emergency-colored UI with some additional information, so when they call me when my wife is in the ER, why not have the phone go nuts and force me to answer it?

Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by rapnie »

readme wrote: post #232
nimish wrote: post #210

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It took this long because the fcc is run by people who simply do not believe in using government to enforce oversight.

We shouldn't interfere in the free market. Those robocalls are just good old American ingenuity.

Indeed. I'm from the Netherlands and never, ever in my life received a robocall, and also do not know anyone else who received one.

Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by kristofferR »

larrywright wrote: post #188
mehrdadn wrote: post #145

Can someone explain what this will translate into in terms of the end-user experience? For one thing, authentication will be next to useless (at least to me) if my phone is still going to ring. So does that mean it's not going to ring for a spoofed number? Also, if it results in tons of voicemail then that's still going to be quite annoying. (How) is the actual end-user experience going to be addressed?

The thing this will address is certain classes of scams that rely on spoofing a specific area code. The infamous “Windows support” calls, which generally spoof a Redmond, WA area code. The IRS/FBI/Immigration scam calls that spoof Washington DC area codes. These are scams which defraud people of huge sums of money every year, mostly the elderly and immigrants.

Do people generally know area codes other than their own area?

Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by rob-olmos »

skrtskrt wrote: post #133
rob-olmos wrote: post #118

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How will it still be available and what underlying software work in Asterisk is being referred to? Based on the given situation, the museum won't own the caller's cell phone number that they're trying to legitimately spoof for their staff's cell phone.

You've reached the limit of my knowledge here regarding implementation details :) Asterisk is an open-source PBX system. I think the original call will come in with the correct STIR/SHAKEN-validated SIP headers and the PBX can forward them as is, see some discussion here: https://community.freepbx.org/t/stop-robocalls-act/60921/5 I previously worked at a telecom software company, and I know everyone with their shit t…

Interesting. I did not think of the potential case that Asterisk could forward the STIR signature forward. Thanks!

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Post by mulmen »

floatingatoll wrote: post #56
Negitivefrags wrote: post #31

Why is this problem unique to the USA? I'm not saying I never get spam calls, but I certainly have to scroll back quite a bit in my phone call history to see the last one. Also, on the rare occasion I do get a spam call it's always from some random international country like South Sudan or Oman that I would never expect a phone call from. What makes this problem uniquely hard to solve for the USA as opposed to anywhe…

Prior to the quarantine, I was getting 5-10 per day. The USA's implementation of caller ID does not require telephone providers to verify that the caller ID provided to them is real (prior to this order). It also lacks the regulatory structure to "trace" (prosecute/fine) calls through the various interlocking copper, cellular, and internet telephony networks, even when each provider in the chain has data. It also lac…

During the last presidential election I got a spam call in an elevator. Like, the emergency phone in the elevator actually rang while I was inside. It picked up automatically and I had to suffer through 20 seconds of Donald Trump shouting about immigrants until the doors opened.

Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by TuringNYC »

cableshaft wrote: post #252
cletus wrote: post #184

Good. But really, why did this take this long? It should be relatively easy to identify the bad actors here and I don't mean the spammers, I mean the telcos that make this possible, deliberately so, by essentially "laundering" spam calls. My response to picking up a number is to answer the call and say nothing. Auto-dial systems will route the call to a person when they get a "live" response. I don't know the criteri…

> Auto-dial systems will route the call to a person when they get a "live" response. I don't know the criteria but I'm pretty sure it's them detecting noise on the call (which could be voicemail). I work with phone systems. It's usually determined by how long they hear a continuous sound at the start of a call. If it's relatively short (and it can be adjusted by settings), it assumes it's a live voice (like someone s…

The case you are citing is not the one I would be most concerned about -- it is the spoofed numbers that should have been top priority. I get calls for different numbers (almost like they have been selected randomly) every single day selling cruises.

If you call the missed call back, you realize the person picking up didnt make the call.

Re: FCC will require phone carriers to authenticate calls by June 2021 [pdf]

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Post by warent »

rapnie wrote: post #273
readme wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We shouldn't interfere in the free market. Those robocalls are just good old American ingenuity.

Indeed. I'm from the Netherlands and never, ever in my life received a robocall, and also do not know anyone else who received one.

The deep level of suffering is very obvious in your post. Everything will be okay, but you really don't know the joys of relentless robocall spam that you're missing out on.
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