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Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Post by sgc »

Exmoor wrote: post #20
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That has a cost in lives too. Four times as many people have already died from COVID-19 as are ever supposed to have died from great recession excess suicides, and we are just getting started with COVID-19. And the effect of recessions on overall mortality is much less clear (fewer die in commuting car accidents during recessions, for example). There's just no plausible way that a recession following this pandemic…

Suicides is certainly the most obvious and explicit way to measure loss of life from the 2008 recession, but it's certainly not the whole story. Overdose deaths (70,000+ in 2018 in the US), and other addiction-related deaths are probably significantly exasperated by economic crisis. I'm not arguing that the deaths from the virus won't outnumber deaths related to the quarantine, but they will be significant. They will…

Most Americans have never had a month off work in their lives. It will probably help mental health for for them at least.

Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Post by Zenst »

adventured wrote: post #18
losvedir wrote: post #13

Worth noting this is from last week. What's Germany's rate now? Since Germany started testing extensively and early, and death is a lagging indicator, I wouldn't be surprised if this creeps up to the more expected ~1.5% we see in Korea or the Diamond Princess. I check the worldometers numbers everyday, and already Germany is up about half a percent from when that article was written, but I'm not totally sure that sit…

The latest I have is 1.08%. Johns Hopkins has it at 775 deaths on 71,808 cases. Their very low mortality rate has held throughout, and they currently have a very large number of recovered patients, implying it's holding through the progression (most countries with good mortality numbers lose that as the cases get worse; you can spot this delay by the very low recovery cases as a percentage). So far among nations in W…

That also may be case of better testing and by that, more widespread. Many countries playing catch up, well they all are and may well be case that many countries with high death rates also have many untested people who had what they thought was mild cold and in some countries those mild cold's would of been tested.

So it is one of those things when we won't be able to compare until down the line, and able to compare like for like.

Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Post by sgc »

s9w wrote: post #33

The media should stop calling this death rate or corona deaths. These deaths are not (all) from the virus, rather occurred in people who died and had a positive test. These things can be (and I assume are) vastly different. Just as a thought experiment: The same metric would give herpes a 100% death rate.

Influenza related death rates are estimated after the fact from several sources of data and are about 25x higher than official influenza confirmed deaths. Everybody talks about the number of influenza related deaths as the real death rate. the chance is coronavirus related deaths are also higher, not lower, than the official count.

Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Post by s9w »

sgc wrote: post #43
s9w wrote: post #33

The media should stop calling this death rate or corona deaths. These deaths are not (all) from the virus, rather occurred in people who died and had a positive test. These things can be (and I assume are) vastly different. Just as a thought experiment: The same metric would give herpes a 100% death rate.

Influenza related death rates are estimated after the fact from several sources of data and are about 25x higher than official influenza confirmed deaths. Everybody talks about the number of influenza related deaths as the real death rate. the chance is coronavirus related deaths are also higher, not lower, than the official count.

How is that possible if every death is counted as corona death? Besides a missing test of course.

Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Post by [deleted] »

Exmoor wrote: post #20
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That has a cost in lives too. Four times as many people have already died from COVID-19 as are ever supposed to have died from great recession excess suicides, and we are just getting started with COVID-19. And the effect of recessions on overall mortality is much less clear (fewer die in commuting car accidents during recessions, for example). There's just no plausible way that a recession following this pandemic…

Suicides is certainly the most obvious and explicit way to measure loss of life from the 2008 recession, but it's certainly not the whole story. Overdose deaths (70,000+ in 2018 in the US), and other addiction-related deaths are probably significantly exasperated by economic crisis. I'm not arguing that the deaths from the virus won't outnumber deaths related to the quarantine, but they will be significant. They will…

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Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Post by Exmoor »

sgc wrote: post #41
Exmoor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suicides is certainly the most obvious and explicit way to measure loss of life from the 2008 recession, but it's certainly not the whole story. Overdose deaths (70,000+ in 2018 in the US), and other addiction-related deaths are probably significantly exasperated by economic crisis. I'm not arguing that the deaths from the virus won't outnumber deaths related to the quarantine, but they will be significant. They will…

Most Americans have never had a month off work in their lives. It will probably help mental health for for them at least.

This comment is mind boggling to me.

There is a incredible difference between "I'm taking a month off of work" and "I'm being forced to stay in my home, physically isolated from my friends and forced to be around those I share a home with 24/7, with the possibility of financial hardship in the near or far term."

One is a vacation, the other is prison.

Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Post by Zenst »

wavesounds wrote: post #11

If theres a silver lining to this pandemic hopefully it will make people realize the importance of having competent leaders and institutions.

Hypothetical question - If you had to pick a leader from anybody in the World, from the entire history of humanity to lead in such a situation - who would you pick and why?

Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Post by Exmoor »

Zenst wrote: post #34
Exmoor wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Suicides is certainly the most obvious and explicit way to measure loss of life from the 2008 recession, but it's certainly not the whole story. Overdose deaths (70,000+ in 2018 in the US), and other addiction-related deaths are probably significantly exasperated by economic crisis. I'm not arguing that the deaths from the virus won't outnumber deaths related to the quarantine, but they will be significant. They will…

There will also be suicides related to this event as well, one example https://www.euractiv.com/section/economy-jobs/news/german-mi...

Also, likely homicides: https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/tenant-suspected-property-o...

Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Post by sgc »

s9w wrote: post #44
sgc wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Influenza related death rates are estimated after the fact from several sources of data and are about 25x higher than official influenza confirmed deaths. Everybody talks about the number of influenza related deaths as the real death rate. the chance is coronavirus related deaths are also higher, not lower, than the official count.

How is that possible if every death is counted as corona death? Besides a missing test of course.

There are plenty of missing tests. Testing is limited almost everywhere. Due to the testing that is in place I don't expect the same ratio, but also, not all countries count all tested deaths as corona deaths, only a few do as far as I understand.

Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries

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Post by splintercell »

_trampeltier wrote: post #38

I know from italy for ex. if you are tested positive on Corona, no matter how you die (a tank drove over you twice) you will end up in the "death with Corona" spreadsheet. I don't know about other countrys does this handle. Also normaly, if very old people get sick (like my grandma died) they don't go to the emergency hospital. They might go to a hospital, but usually they don't try to save lives at all costs.

How many Corona positive people are dying of non-Coronavirus related issues? Is that number really that much to impact the total figures?
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