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Can you extend a bit on that, maybe I'm not understanding the problem right. Isn't having calls being authenticated the first step before you have whitelist/blacklist? Once every call can be definitively attached to a given source, then you can ban any foreign provider that let's these proliferate completely, no?
SHAKEN/STIR + Whitelisting is the best solution. SHAKEN/STIR by itself isn't going to change things too much I think. But it is a step in the right direction. Whitelisting without SHAKEN/STIR is still extremely functional. There are billions of unique American numbers possible, and with 250-500 average contacts per random dial, contact spoofing is not statistically significant.
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#252Good. But really, why did this take this long? It should be relatively easy to identify the bad actors here and I don't mean the spammers, I mean the telcos that make this possible, deliberately so, by essentially "laundering" spam calls. My response to picking up a number is to answer the call and say nothing. Auto-dial systems will route the call to a person when they get a "live" response. I don't know the criteri…
I work with phone systems. It's usually determined by how long they hear a continuous sound at the start of a call. If it's relatively short (and it can be adjusted by settings), it assumes it's a live voice (like someone saying "Hello?" is usually pretty short). If it's continuous for a certain period of time, it assumes it's a voicemail.
For our speech applications we have different behaviors depending on which call disposition is detected (that's the term for this, also determines things like invalid phone numbers).
Sometimes when testing speech applications I'll pick up and scratch the receiver continuously or speak without taking a pause until the voicemail disposition is triggered so I can test a voicemail message without having to check voicemail.
We make these calls on behalf of health insurance companies for health reminders and surveys, so our calls are more legitimate than most, but we do use an autodialer to reduce the load on our live agents.
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#253Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a nice example of port-knocking: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Port_knocking . I wonder if it would be possible to set up something like this more rigorously. Give everyone unrelated two phone numbers. The first never rings the phone. The second only rings if the first was called within the last minute.
Or perhaps just a pin they have to enter in order to get the first phone to actually ring. Basically 2fa for the right to bother me.
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#254...But it will equal-and-oppositely create a market, perhaps a black market, for anonymous voice calls on the other... Perhaps these would be delivered by an open source Voice-over-IP program which uses an anonymizing P2P network as its backbone...
Also... will it make any difference for phone calls that originate outside of our country?
Now, those small observations aside, I think that hard authentication of the source of phone calls, is a great idea to help combat scammers and robocalls... I'd use this service myself, and I know other people that would be immensely benefitted from it...
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#255Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, actually... That kinda/sorta was the mandate, until we put a telecom shill in charge. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_Open_Internet_Order_2010
Where did congress grant the FCC the authorities for that order?
"An independent U.S. government agency overseen by Congress, the commission is the United States' primary authority for communications law, regulation and technological innovation."
Source: https://www.fcc.gov/about-fcc/what-we-do
You can have arguments until forever about what they should or shouldn't do, but their raison d'être is to set policy according to these overarching objectives.
Oh, and just to be clear, the lack of an Oxford comma in that quote is inexcusable :)
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#257Earlier quoted context omitted.
It took this long because the fcc is run by people who simply do not believe in using government to enforce oversight.
We shouldn't interfere in the free market. Those robocalls are just good old American ingenuity.
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#258Earlier quoted context omitted.
Where did congress grant the FCC the authorities for that order?
Ahem. "An independent U.S. government agency overseen by Congress, the commission is the United States' primary authority for communications law, regulation and technological innovation." Source: https://www.fcc.gov/about-fcc/what-we-do You can have arguments until forever about what they should or shouldn't do, but their raison d'être is to set policy according to these overarching objectives. Oh, and just to be cle…
In 2005, the FCC decided that ISPs should be regulated by them. From 2005 - 2012, Congress failed to pass new bills granting the FCC this authority. It was denied by congress. In 2015, the FCC decided that they didn't congress to grant that authority.
So yeah, the FCC website claiming they have an authority is not an impartial source. Two years later, the FCC reverted back to the Title I classification.
So for 2 years, the FCC claimed a power that they were not authorized to claim.
If Congress wants the FCC to have this power they can easily pass a bill granting them that authority, they have repeatedly failed to do so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality_in_the_United_S...
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#259Earlier quoted context omitted.
We shouldn't interfere in the free market. Those robocalls are just good old American ingenuity.
? Telecom is one of most regulated industries in the United States. Not sure why this pattern ("look how bad the free market is" @ highly regulated market) is so common here and on reddit.
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#260Good. But really, why did this take this long? It should be relatively easy to identify the bad actors here and I don't mean the spammers, I mean the telcos that make this possible, deliberately so, by essentially "laundering" spam calls. My response to picking up a number is to answer the call and say nothing. Auto-dial systems will route the call to a person when they get a "live" response. I don't know the criteri…
It took this long because the fcc is run by people who simply do not believe in using government to enforce oversight.
Wheeler was born on April 5, 1946 in Redlands, California. He attended Ohio State University.[7] From 1969 to 1976, Wheeler led the trade group Grocery Manufacturers of America.[8] He then went on to work at the National Cable & Telecommunications Association from 1976 to 1984, becoming president of the trade group in 1979. For a year until its closure, Wheeler was president of NABU Network, before spending a number of years creating or running several different technology startups. In 1992, he became the CEO of the Cellular Telecommunications & Internet Association, a post he held until 2004.