Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries
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Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries
#2NPR did better reporting on this phenomenon than German media, well done!
Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries
#3So much contradictory information through this epedemic.
CNN just ran an article highly critical of decentralized approaches. (They were advocating top-down, unified actions on a country-wide basis.)
Here, NPR tells us Germany is doing well because the regions are able to act autonomously.
Hard for us armchair quarterbacks.
Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries
#4So much contradictory information through this epedemic. CNN just ran an article highly critical of decentralized approaches. (They were advocating top-down, unified actions on a country-wide basis.) Here, NPR tells us Germany is doing well because the regions are able to act autonomously. Hard for us armchair quarterbacks.
How do you feel when you watch a political debate?
Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries
#5I think in the end the number I'll judge countries by is how low they held the death rate per population. A better number would be a population death rate weighted by demographics, but I don't think that'll be easy to construct.
Increasing the denominator by testing lots and lots of people is important only if testing lots and lots of people helps you prevent more people from dying. Germany is doing pretty well on this front compared to its European neighbors. But if you look at its absolute death rate graph it is headed up and to the right, like everywhere else. It'll be a little while before the dust settles and we can actually see whose public health policies were effective.
Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries
#6I think in the end the number I'll judge countries by is how low they held the death rate per population. A better number would be a population death rate weighted by demographics, but I don't think that'll be easy to construct. Increasing the denominator by testing lots and lots of people is important only if testing lots and lots of people helps you prevent more people from dying. Germany is doing pretty well on th…
In the long-term it might also be important to look at the economy at least a few years down the line. It might be that some countries will find it very difficult to recover from the crisis because the lockdown hurt the economy too much. That has a cost in lives too.
Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries
#7So much contradictory information through this epedemic. CNN just ran an article highly critical of decentralized approaches. (They were advocating top-down, unified actions on a country-wide basis.) Here, NPR tells us Germany is doing well because the regions are able to act autonomously. Hard for us armchair quarterbacks.
perhaps centralized vs not isn’t a first order concern? maybe how educated the population is and or what they value in their elected officials is, or other cultural things.
Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries
#8I think in the end the number I'll judge countries by is how low they held the death rate per population. A better number would be a population death rate weighted by demographics, but I don't think that'll be easy to construct. Increasing the denominator by testing lots and lots of people is important only if testing lots and lots of people helps you prevent more people from dying. Germany is doing pretty well on th…
Croatia also does well. Croatia has both land and maritime borders (also ferries running back and forth) with Italy.
Croatia is ranked number one by Oxford for government responses to the epidemic: https://www.bsg.ox.ac.uk/research/research-projects/oxford-c...
Note: HRV is Hrvatska which means Croatia in Croatian. It is the three letter ISO country code.
The Croatian government website on coronavirus is: https://koronavirus.hr/en
There is an interesting interview by a Croatian epidemiologist here: https://www.total-croatia-news.com/lifestyle/42484-igor-ruda...
Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries
#9So much contradictory information through this epedemic. CNN just ran an article highly critical of decentralized approaches. (They were advocating top-down, unified actions on a country-wide basis.) Here, NPR tells us Germany is doing well because the regions are able to act autonomously. Hard for us armchair quarterbacks.
The one big difference between USA and Germany i got from article is one place found a test and shared it and every German state adapted it, they didn’t have to wait or rely on FDA or CDC like we in USA with our early problems exposed in Washington state outbreak and still present at time of NYC outbreak. Other places I’ve read each German state is reporting deaths differently so that death rate could be misleading.
Re: Germany's Coronavirus Death Rate Is Lower Than in Other Countries
#10I think in the end the number I'll judge countries by is how low they held the death rate per population. A better number would be a population death rate weighted by demographics, but I don't think that'll be easy to construct. Increasing the denominator by testing lots and lots of people is important only if testing lots and lots of people helps you prevent more people from dying. Germany is doing pretty well on th…
In the long-term it might also be important to look at the economy at least a few years down the line. It might be that some countries will find it very difficult to recover from the crisis because the lockdown hurt the economy too much. That has a cost in lives too.
> That has a cost in lives too.
Four times as many people have already died from COVID-19 as are ever supposed to have died from great recession excess suicides, and we are just getting started with COVID-19. And the effect of recessions on overall mortality is much less clear (fewer die in commuting car accidents during recessions, for example). There's just no plausible way that a recession following this pandemic will kill more folks than the pandemic itself will, not even close.