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Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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spaceandshit wrote: post #485
hnarn wrote: post #208

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Personally I think it's an awful idea. I just watched the promotional video that I expected to give some answers as to why this design decision was made and I frankly ended up even more worried.[1] I can accept that I'm somewhat of a luddite when it comes to this and I might be wrong, I just hope these are thoroughly tested and actually solve real world problems, and aren't just a way for Boeing to save money or solv…

You would have a difficult time finding an airborne system that does not already do this: > I just hope these are thoroughly tested and actually solve real world problems Changing from a legacy style to a new one is not cheap, and aerospace companies are not the type to spend money on useless, less reliable technology.

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Post by freepor »

pdimitar wrote: post #135
freepor wrote: post #88

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It was never a cargo cult of being good... it was a cost cutting play that they correctly thought they could shove down consumers throats. Glad to see Honda acting on behalf of the driver again.

Not looking to start a fight but was a touchscreen really the cheaper option? I would be strongly surprised if that was the case.

Touchscreens are massively massively cheaper. Especially for products with warranties like cars. Thing fucks up, just swap out the entire brain+display unit.

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Post by the_jeremy »

tehjoker wrote: post #448
the_jeremy wrote: post #372

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Sure, if everyone is an expert on the subject, or is willing to spend the time to become one, you should never appeal to authority. That's not most people on most subjects. If someone appeals to authority and says "climate change is real, here's 100 scientists with PhDs who agree" I accept that. I am not willing to become an expert on the subject to be able to spend the time to review the facts for myself. Citing sou…

For what it's worth, for a specialist in a field, they'll have already read most of the papers that are cited and will be looking for new or missing ones to find gems or flaws in the argumentation.

That's fair. Most papers are probably written with specialists in mind, so I guess that wouldn't be a good example of appeal to authority.

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

innocenat wrote: post #447
zig wrote: post #430

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In VMC you still have a responsibility to see and avoid, regardless of whether you're on an instrument flight plan or not. (Ref: Regulation 14 CFR Part 91.113 (b)) Radar coverage has become ubiquitous in most places, but there's not universal coverage. Heads-up time is very important unless you're flying in actual IMC.

Can't find equivalent rule from ICAO, is this regulation US only?

Refer to ICAO Annex 11 - it's not the exact point being made by the GP, but note that traffic separation for IFR traffic from VFR traffic is only provided in Class A, B and C airspace.

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Post by twomoretime »

vel0city wrote: post #371
squarefoot wrote: post #346

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Touch screens add multiple points of failure to a device that, if properly built, would last decades. A single glitch in a software driving a screen could render useless all touch inputs displayed on it, information loss aside. I'm all for mechanical switches everywhere. As for potentiometers, sliders etc, we already have optical and mechanical encoders that hardly fail, or if/when they do, it happens gracefully leav…

In many of the newer systems, all those physical dials and switches are just inputs to the computer system which ultimately decides to do what the user is requesting. A bug which would prevent inputs from working right on a touchscreen could also happen on reading inputs on other systems. Not that I'm arguing for touchscreen controls, just that these days having a physical knob does not mean you're directly manipulat…

Is this a good place for redundant microservices?

Each service handles data from a handful of physical of physical knobs.

At least that way you don't have the UI as a single point of failure.

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

mywittyname wrote: post #353
derefr wrote: post #206

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> The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to replace the hardware. I mean, the other point of a dynamic interface is that you can now have more controls than would fit on a static interface. Touchscreen fit-to-purpose controls might suck more than hardware fit-to-purpose controls, but either option…

There's always the possibility for hybrid UIs. Something with physical inputs with a dynamic display based on context, like a screen above a series of buttons and maybe a dial at the end ( think ATMs) or even buttons with OLED displays. It's the best or worst of both worlds depending on your perspective, but they do offer superior hands-free operation over a pure touch device, but at the sacrifice of interface flexib…

>Something with physical inputs with a dynamic display based on context, like a screen above a series of buttons and maybe a dial at the end

BMW's iDrive is, I think, the canonical early example of this in the automotive world.

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Post by orthecreedence »

stainforth wrote: post #127
agumonkey wrote: post #63

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even on phones it's "bad", it requires high focus.. it's was only good in the theory that smartphones would be used for prolonged dedicated tasks. how i miss blind use of buttons on old dumbphones

Phone manufacturers need to bring back keyboards

To be honest, if I had a droid 4 with the specs of my pixel 3a I would probably not purchase another phone for a decade. I loved the slide-out physical keyboard on the droid line.

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Post by blattimwind »

redis_mlc wrote: post #417
est31 wrote: post #262

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In airplanes touchscreens are less of an issue than in cars. In cars you have to have a hand on the wheel 99% of the time, and your gaze on the road. You can't afford interaction with a complicated non-haptic touch screen menu. In airplanes it's different. Here, outside of takeoff and landing, it's OK to look at a screen for 10 seconds while interacting with it with a hand.

> it's OK to look at a screen for 10 seconds Not really. Pilots are supposed to be visually looking for traffic 90% of the time, and the rest scanning instruments. So to be heads-down for 10 seconds, the non-flying pilot would have to arrange that with the flying pilot.

I think what GP is trying to say is that because your average airlines has around 10+ km of altitude to loose before rapid disassembly commences, which takes a non-trivial amoun of time, compared to a car, which can go on a short and unintentional offroad trip within a few seconds or less.
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