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Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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I don't think anybody even bothered to read the article!

It explicitly states, right below the top image -

>> The new Jazz has a touchscreen for many functions, but not temperature control

So, only the temperature control is via a dial. Everything else is still on the touchscreen.

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Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #89

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even on phones it's "bad", it requires high focus.. it's was only good in the theory that smartphones would be used for prolonged dedicated tasks. how i miss blind use of buttons on old dumbphones

It's good on phones because it allows them to become multi-tools. You can't have physical buttons for every thing any app might want to do; with a touch screen they can make their own buttons. On cars it's silly. Cars are not multi-tools; they have a finite set of dedicated functions. Even for functions that benefit from a large high-res screen (maps, music library browsing, etc.), the actual input requirements are n…

There are general purpose buttons like back or home.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #138

Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

I work for an avionics manufacturer and I can assure you most of our upcoming comercial systems (and even a healthy portion of government ones) feature touch screen inputs.

I guess you work for garmin.

Garmin have ZERO experience with avionics. They just sell large screen GPS that everyone want because GPS is an output device. The fact that you can zoom/etc with touch is just because garmin have ZERO experience with avionics, and even then, there are some few hardware buttons there already. My guess is that the second or third version will have many more.

Another consequence is that the large GPS screen have to replace many components on the dashboard of a 2 seater plane, because they originally didn't have space for a large screen (most private planes flown today were made in the 70s!). by consequence, everyone gives up their radio etc with decent buttons because they really, really want a GPS with a huge screen, and garmin knowing this have to include a crappy radio etc in their unit. But given the option, everyone would want a bigger/modern dashboard instead and dedicated devices.

Just because something is selling it is not because it is good. See the "doctor killer" planes.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #138

Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

Too late! Boeing 777-X will have touch screen interfaces for pilots. Personally, I think information display can and should use touch interface, but actions should be tied to physical switches or buttons.

> Personally, I think information display can and should use touch interface, but actions should be tied to physical switches or buttons.

Underrated comment!

Information - the user is already looking at the screen, so they can touch virtual buttons. And that is probably the best approach, as they are manipulating information that is being displayed and they can see.

For actions, you won't necessarily have your attention on the screen. The information may not even be displayed in the screen yet, so now you have to divert attention and manipulate the system to get it to a state you can then change(eg, moving to the climate control screen).

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #8

Eminently sensible call by Honda. Knobs, dials and switches work well and do not demand that a driver takes their eyes off the road. I suppose that voice controls would be a reasonably safe tech option, but probably not cost-effective.

Voice control sucks IMO, even though a lot of people now grow up with Alexa and similar and adapt to the technology. Why does it suck, just like some "smart" buttons? Because it's not obvious what it can do. You have to learn the vocabulary it understands and its other limitations (tone etc.). For example, I tried to get my Tesla to text one of my contacts recently and failed. I didn't know whether it just didn't understand me or was unable to. Good UI are obvious and don't require you to memorize secret capabilities.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Touchscreens that are huge are somewhat less of an issue because tap targets are much bigger. But most non-luxury vehicles come with 7 or 8 inch screens, so tap targets are small/clustered. Layer on that the fact that many screens aren't capacitive (and instead require a certain amount of pressure from your finger/fingernail), and things get even more annoying/dangerous.

With physical buttons we can keep eyes on the road, one hand on the wheel and the other one looks for the right button. With a touch screen we have to look at the screen, hoping we made the right decision about what's going to happen on the road. If there are laws against texting there should be laws against using touchscreens when the car is moving.

Just how many controls are you manipulating that are not duplicated to your steering wheel on your drive? Modern cars feature nearly automatic everything, set and forget.

Just a note about laws against texting. So my state recently, finally last year, put in place a law which said you must use hands free.

Guess what happened, now half the dolts have their phone mounted to their windshield in their field of view or on their dash. So yeah, its hands free but even more distracting. Apparently this loop hole exists in many states!

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #237

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Electronic Flight Bag is one of the biggest screens, right? And that's used for navigation, which is largely strategic, not tactical.

I'd love for someone who's in the industry or an actual pilot to comment on this because I'm frankly not sure about what common scope AFBs have on commercial airliners, and what the backup procedures are if they fail. For private pilots, I know bringing an iPad up is common these days, but I think (and sure hope) commercial flight is a lot more risk averse and slow to adopt these things without thorough procedure.

80 to 90% of airlines worldwide use EFBs, based on iPad or Microsoft Surface.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #203

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And customers apparently like them, when deciding what to buy.

You can't use the market as an example of it, because the producers shifted in (almost) unison, and bundled it with other more valuable features. The same thing happened with 3DTVs -- the manufacturers all decided this was the next big thing, and shifted all their production to it, and it turns out.. it wasn't. But we as consumers had a 5-year drought where you simply couldn't buy a new TV that wasn't 3D. The same is…

The Macbook touchbar holds a likely never-to-be-surpassed record for "The World's Most Useless Touchscreen". I literally cannot imagine how this UI abortion got to market. To me, the touchbar was the canary that Apple's innovation days were done. Sometimes, it's really NOT a good thing to "think different"(ly)...
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