How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

Post by benhurmarcel » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 6:15 PM UTC

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I'm still curious why everyone thinks Zoom "just works" while others don't. Because in an enterprise context it is often hard to download an executable and run it with sufficient permissions. While Google and Microsoft both offer a product that "just works" with only a browser. What makes Zoom more "just works" than that?

Google has messenger and hangouts and another video conferencing solution that I don't recall. The reason we ditched hangouts for zoom a few years ago was that hangouts only supported up to ten users, including users whose connection had died and so they had to re-enter the room again. This became extremely annoying - having to stop a conference mid-call to ask some people to disconnect so others could enter, or tryi…

Post by benhurmarcel » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 6:16 PM UTC

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I'm still curious why everyone thinks Zoom "just works" while others don't. Because in an enterprise context it is often hard to download an executable and run it with sufficient permissions. While Google and Microsoft both offer a product that "just works" with only a browser. What makes Zoom more "just works" than that?

they work for your use case. hangouts can’t handle many users (is it 10 the limit?), which is a deal breaker for me. we’ve tried and people couldn’t join the call. if by microsoft you mean teams, i’m not aware of it working without accounts (not an issue for google as most people have google accounts).

Post by benhurmarcel » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 6:19 PM UTC

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jeroenhd wrote: post #89

As someone who's never used or seen Zoom in action, what's pulling people into Zoom that's not already available in other tools (Hangouts Meet, MS Teams) and even works without installing anything (such as Jitsi)? Based on what I've seen, there's just so much hostile behaviour by the company (including lying about meeting HIPAA e2e requirements!) and the fact that their _official client_ had parts removed by the macO…

I use Zoom, Hangouts, Slack and WebEx. Out of those Zoom has the best call quality, and it is the only solution out of the 4 on which huge meetings (50+ persons) are workable.

Post by noahtallen » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 6:29 PM UTC

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None of the WebRTC based options just work, they're all glitchy and cannot scale up to even moderate amounts of users. We have Google Hangouts Meet for free for our org, and we still pay for Zoom because It Just Works.

Even having the "unblock this site from camera and microphone" burried in the browser chrome or settings pages somewhere is a dealbreaker. It's too easy for people to mindlessly click "no" to can this access your microphone, because of the way the browser pops it up during first use, instead of during "install."

Post by aequitas » Tue, Mar 31, 2020, 6:32 PM UTC

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We just had a corporate presentation with around 250 people. Normally we use Teams or Slack for internal communication, this was also stated by management, that Zoom should only be used for 'big' meetings like this. I think they know the other solutions will not work as well for bigger groups. I've not had issues with using either solution for small group meetings. Actually I have to go out of my way to run Zoom in t…

Why not use Teams Live for this? We have been using zoom and Teams alternately and Teams performance and ease of use has been much better in my experience, but we have yet to do a 200+ all hands so I was curious if there were some footguns with teams live that you may know about. Teams live works on a lot of platforms and also has a web version.