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Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Touchscreens unfortunately only provide visual feedback. I can feel the wheel turn without taking my eyes off the road.

There are lots of development-related reasons touchscreens are appealing, but in situations where the user cannot reasonable look at the screen much, it's not obvious a touchscreen is a good solution. Maybe with haptic feedback of some kind.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #40

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Or you know, knobs and buttons which don't require any user on-boarding or discovery process.

there is a place for both kinds of controls. frequently used functions (volume, climate controls) should have physical buttons. infrequently used functions (like reset tire pressure monitoring) is best hidden in a touchscreen menu.

Absolutely. Use the right tool for the job, etc.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Any monitor manufacturers want to follow suit? What I'd give for hardware input source buttons. This is a ridiculous UX: 1. Touch button to open menu 2. Select "Input Source" 3. Click up/down (possibly multiple times) to find your source 4. Click OK ...when your monitor has TWO sources. Just give me 2 buttons: HDMI and DisplayPort. I don't care that this would be marginally more expensive. I'd pay it. Touch screen co…

Since DisplayPort can normally be passively converted to HDMI, your easiest option is probably to get a convertor and also an HDMI switch box. It'll be external to the monitor but there are plenty to choose from that have physical buttons. There are even some with remote controls!

> Since DisplayPort can normally be passively converted to HDMI

What actually happens is that some (but not all) DisplayPort sources can also output HDMI signals, so the passive converter only has to change the voltages and pinout. But if the source doesn't output HDMI signals, you need an active converter.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

While not touch many Airbus aircraft feature a full keyboard and trackball for operating those screens.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #138

Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

Pilots already use iPads for checklists.

That's a different ballpark though as you can fall back to the paper version at any time.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #36

Another fad that should go away is blue light dashboards. They give horrible afterimages in dark conditions. BMW's red-orange lights are so relaxing to look at in comparison.

If a car uses blue dash lights, that will stop me from buying it instantly and unquestionably. Blue is extremely saturating to my eyes' receptors and uncomfortable to look at in darkness even for a moment. Red is 100x more forgiving.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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post #138

Look at the cockpit of any modern airliner and you will see screens, but they are never interactive. There are hardware buttons, dials and lights all over the place. A tactile interface is both more obvious, sturdy and more stable, and therefore safer. The problem that touch interfaces solve, ever since the advent of the first smart phone, is that the interface is now dynamic. You can change it without having to repl…

The f35 has a large touch screen that pilots use. Maybe the $1m helmet has a way to interact without touching.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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I will never understand how this trend started in the first place. If you look at e.g. digital cameras, they all have touch screens these days, but they also still have buttons and dials everywhere. The one in front of me has eight physical buttons, seven dials and a power switch. The reason is obvious: when you're taking photos, you don't want to be looking down at a screen; you want to be focused on the task at han…

They make cars significantly cheaper to produce - both in terms of parts and construction time. Evey button you lose is a button you don't have source and install when building the car. There's less wiring, less replacement parts to stock. It's a win in all kinds of situations for the manufacturer.

It's no coincidence that the company with most manufacturing issues - Tesla - also went with completely touchscreen based cabin with pretty much no additional cost. This is further confirmed by the fact that they didn't offset the screen issue by installing a projected HUD display (which is these days available in most 20.000$ cars) - it's complicated to install.

Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you feel about the MMI scroll wheel? I don’t feel safe using that either; it still requires eyes on the screen to see what you’re selecting. Even my passengers, who can give it their full attention, are routinely stymied by the process of pairing their phones for Bluetooth audio playback. At least I can get the volume and temperature knobs by feel.

I think there can be a balance between physical controls for actions that need to and will often be used while driving, and touch controls for stuff that you will most likely use when standing still. Controlling the temperature or music volume will be done while driving so they should be actual buttons that your muscle memory will reach with no mental effort or distraction. Adjusting the suspension settings or typing…

yes, that's the best split--make frequently-used features and/or features used primarily while driving physical controls, while rarely-used features and/or features used while parked can be touch-based.

however, address input should be primarily by voice control rather than touch entry. changing destinations (for whatever reason) mid-drive on a navigation system is dangerous and somewhat common, and voice control is the best option for keeping your eyes on the road (absent a passenger who can do the touchscreen data entry).

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