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Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

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Re: Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

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post #61

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I'm not a publisher or an author (I'm an SRE, I've never made income from the sale of anything I have copyright from, and I've many times been on the side of fair use as a hobbyist musician) and I'm willing to make that claim. It's as straightforward, IMO, as the claim that not tipping is stealing. Yes, technically, it's merely not giving them money that they expect, it's not taking money they already have. But the p…

> I'd also like to live in a world where waitstaff didn't rely on tips to make minimum wage, let alone a living wage. I don't. You do, mostly. I believe it's just the USA where obligatory "tipping" is a thing. I learnt a bit about the history of tipping from Adam Ruins Everything S01E05 Adam Ruins Restaurants, highly recommended. Excerpt about tipping, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_vivC7c_1k (Yes, his style is a…

But if you don't have tipping, you don't get to freely download the services of the wait staff or eat free food. You have to pay the restaurant.

for this, to have copyright weakened, you'd really need to make sure authors get compensated fairly for the small time their work is under that law. The problem is people want the creative stuff for free essentially

Re: Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

#142
post #95

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There's a theory that IA leadership is intentionally trying to force a landmark court case: https://twitter.com/rahaeli/status/1244257620548038656

That’s a pretty good angry Twitter rant. Here’s the (easier to read) link using threadreaderapp.com, my new found best friend! https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1244257620548038656.html?... The premise that they would be trying to purposefully shove it into the court system to achieve a ruling one way or the other is interesting. That’s how you play hard in the paint!

wow. that website is a great invention

Re: Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

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Anyone know which authors have opted out? It would be interesting to hear their reasons why in their own words.

I am an author with three books on there, and I've just emailed them to opt out. One reason authors are fine with libraries lending out their books for free, electronically or otherwise, is that borrowing a library copy is always a little bit less convenient than buying your own – with waits for availability and so on – which gives readers an incentive to pay if they can afford it. Once the library experience is almo…

> One reason authors are fine with libraries lending out their books for free, electronically or otherwise, is that borrowing a library copy is always a little bit less convenient than buying your own

The most important reason authors should be fine with libraries lending out "their" (the authors') books for free is that libraries lend out their (the library's) books for free.

Re: Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

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post #95

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That’s a pretty good angry Twitter rant. Here’s the (easier to read) link using threadreaderapp.com, my new found best friend! https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1244257620548038656.html?... The premise that they would be trying to purposefully shove it into the court system to achieve a ruling one way or the other is interesting. That’s how you play hard in the paint!

wow. that website is a great invention

Fantastic product! Just found out about it, some nice folks pointed it out to me recently after complaining about how much I hate trying to read long Twitter threads :)

Re: Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

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Having a home library has many more functions than just storing books you've once read. It's a signaling device; it's a way to show your character:; it's a way to have a possibility to share materials with others; it's a way to show your children your values; it's a reminder of things you've learned; it's soothing for many to have books around; they can be a useful reference or inspiration; ... Books are not just a t…

My home library is mostly of two sorts: reference books I might need (field guides, math/engineering texts, knot books, etc) and books I haven't read yet. After all, who wants a library full of books they've already read? If I particularly like a book and expect I'd re-read it, I'll keep it, but the rest I donate.

> who wants a library full of books they've already read?

Someone who thinks he might read them again.

Re: Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

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post #137

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>Again - if that argument holds up, why is it reasonable to sell paper books for significantly more than the cost of reproduction? What's magical about the $0 price point? If it costs $5 to print a physical copy and you're okay with stores selling copies for $25, why is it a problem for stores to sell e-books for $20? You can sell them for whatever people will pay for them. You can sell the bandwidth for the eBook fo…

It doesn't work anywhere near as well as you think. Crowdsourcing is worse than the traditional model, for many reasons. A huge issue with it is that the creative bears all the risks of chargebacks and payment processor issues. Chargebacks can eat up funding tremendously quickly, and can lead to being banned even from the service that manages patronage for you. And using services like paypal is another existential ri…

To be fair to 'ddevault (and the reason I'm not arguing the point super strongly), he himself has a Patreon which he uses to support his free-software work.

I would instinctively agree that the model doesn't work super well for authors / musicians / etc., and being a well-known free-software hacker whom people are willing to support is actually pretty unusual, but I don't have data to back this up.

Re: Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

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post #110

This response by the Internet Archive focuses on easily refutable claims, such as that they acquired their books illegally, while sidestepping the one substantive issue: that they had no legal right to replace the controlled digital lending process that they had been following with uncontrolled lending. This is what so many authors and publishers are objecting to; and they are right to point out that this resembles s…

It’s not “uncontrolled” - borrowing only lasts two weeks. They say so in the post.

The sense in which it is uncontrolled is that there is no queue. People can borrow the "same book" simultaneously, where this would normally be limited to the number of copies the library owns.

Re: Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

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post #73

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Congratulations, you have invented the library. Snark aside, how is this any different than going to your local library and feeding quarters to the photocopier? Scale?

I mean, that's also definitely copyright infringement. Scale just gets you attention from the lawyers. There are extremely narrow exceptions, see page 6 here: https://www.copyright.gov/circs/circ21.pdf

Most university libraries keep a copy or two of every textbook on hand, but don't actually allow you to check them out. Students pull it off the shelf long enough to photocopy the pages they need, then put it back.

Often groups of students get together and take turns making multiple sets of copies for the whole group.

A few times I actually had professors that were nice enough to make copies for the students ahead of time.

One professor even went to the trouble of having a local print shop print and bind the copies in paperback. We had to pay something like $10 to cover the costs.

Is any or all of that copyright infringement? Is there an exception for universities? Is this just a case of the law being so disconnected from reality that people don't even know they are breaking it?

Re: Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

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Having a home library has many more functions than just storing books you've once read. It's a signaling device; it's a way to show your character:; it's a way to have a possibility to share materials with others; it's a way to show your children your values; it's a reminder of things you've learned; it's soothing for many to have books around; they can be a useful reference or inspiration; ... Books are not just a t…

My home library is mostly of two sorts: reference books I might need (field guides, math/engineering texts, knot books, etc) and books I haven't read yet. After all, who wants a library full of books they've already read? If I particularly like a book and expect I'd re-read it, I'll keep it, but the rest I donate.

I only buy books I know I will read more than once.

Re: Internet Archive responds: Why we released the National Emergency Library

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post #89
post #79

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Late edit: they're really going out of their way to remove authors who don't want to be included. https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1244793574073524229

I'm a little worried that "I'd like to work with them" isn't "I'd like to remove them proactively." This reads to me like a request for crowd-sourced snitch-tagging.

Late update, but they're putting in more effort to make sure authors don't get abuse. https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1247612061732999172
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