A lot of mention of Mazda, but my 2018 Ford Escape has buttons/knobs for all the standard car features. I also have Apple CarPlay which is great for maps/media. Very happy with it.
Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls
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Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is taking your hands off the steering wheel much better? Ideally, all controls would be available on the steering wheel without removing either hand. Or, as you say, voice controls.
>> Is taking your hands off the steering wheel much better? Yes. Most drivers are able to drive using one hand for a short period of time. Not so with eyes off the road. In fact, it's a requirement in most countries where stick shift is the norm.
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#123Always seemed like a cargo cult: iphone good; touch good; buttons bad (steve said). Let’s hope it’s a new trend! I love that my Audi still has tactile buttons and wheels, and was a big factor in choosing it. My previous car had a touch screen and it was so dangerous having to brace my hand for accuracy and stare at my fingers while driving.
You (or maybe the market) are misinterpreting Steve Jobs. In a phone context, he is correct.
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#124Eminently sensible call by Honda. Knobs, dials and switches work well and do not demand that a driver takes their eyes off the road. I suppose that voice controls would be a reasonably safe tech option, but probably not cost-effective.
hondas have had voice controls for ~20 years. they're in e.g. the 2004 acura tl. simple voice controls are cost effective and already implemented.
Yes but they're uselessly complex. I've owned a top-of-the-line Ridgeline with voice control for over a year and I still don't remember any of the sequences of specific commands it recognizes.
Any car needs to be connected to a central server where the processing occurs. Useful levels of voice recognition just aren't going to happen inside the car.
Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls
#125Always seemed like a cargo cult: iphone good; touch good; buttons bad (steve said). Let’s hope it’s a new trend! I love that my Audi still has tactile buttons and wheels, and was a big factor in choosing it. My previous car had a touch screen and it was so dangerous having to brace my hand for accuracy and stare at my fingers while driving.
How do you feel about the MMI scroll wheel? I don’t feel safe using that either; it still requires eyes on the screen to see what you’re selecting. Even my passengers, who can give it their full attention, are routinely stymied by the process of pairing their phones for Bluetooth audio playback.
At least I can get the volume and temperature knobs by feel.
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#126I will defend the screen in the Tesla 3, the simple fact is that you really never have to use on your typical drive and yes muscle memory works for simple UIs like what the Tesla employs. Compared to 40+ buttons in my previous Volt AND a screen. Many cars have that many or more buttons and this is easier? Where screen's become distracting is when the UI is shit, having more than one or two clicks to do anything, and…
It's great if you don't have to use the touch screen in the Tesla while it's driving, but it shouldn't even be possible to use it with the car in motion.
Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls
#127Always seemed like a cargo cult: iphone good; touch good; buttons bad (steve said). Let’s hope it’s a new trend! I love that my Audi still has tactile buttons and wheels, and was a big factor in choosing it. My previous car had a touch screen and it was so dangerous having to brace my hand for accuracy and stare at my fingers while driving.
even on phones it's "bad", it requires high focus.. it's was only good in the theory that smartphones would be used for prolonged dedicated tasks. how i miss blind use of buttons on old dumbphones
Phone manufacturers need to bring back keyboards
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#128Tell that to my 2019 HRV. Doesn’t even have CarPlay so I can’t use Siri to do anything for me. All AC controls are touch screen so I have to look away from the road just to change the fan speed.
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#129I will defend the screen in the Tesla 3, the simple fact is that you really never have to use on your typical drive and yes muscle memory works for simple UIs like what the Tesla employs. Compared to 40+ buttons in my previous Volt AND a screen. Many cars have that many or more buttons and this is easier? Where screen's become distracting is when the UI is shit, having more than one or two clicks to do anything, and…
The backlit display on the Tesla 3 is wayyyyy too bright for night driving, even at its lowest backlight intensity and in night mode. It is like they intentionally ignored all available human factors research. Tesla is not alone here. Many automakers these days have too-bright interiors for night driving.
Re: Honda bucks industry trend by removing touchscreen controls
#130I wouldn't mind a tactile touch screen [1] with optional voice prompting, and a jog dial.