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Re: How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

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Post by nothrabannosir »

fermienrico wrote: post #118

Also, Zoom's entire engineering team is based in China [1]. China and Chinese companies have no real culture of user centric privacy. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22707528 Edit: Why downvote me? I am not trying to stir up flame wars. Saying anything against China has become impossible to do on HN. Voices get drowned despite of raising real legitimate concerns about privacy, especially for a tool used by m…

You get downvoted because every post critical of China gets hit, regardless of quality or veracity.

Re: How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

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Post by dang »

nothrabannosir wrote: post #151
fermienrico wrote: post #118

Also, Zoom's entire engineering team is based in China [1]. China and Chinese companies have no real culture of user centric privacy. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22707528 Edit: Why downvote me? I am not trying to stir up flame wars. Saying anything against China has become impossible to do on HN. Voices get drowned despite of raising real legitimate concerns about privacy, especially for a tool used by m…

You get downvoted because every post critical of China gets hit, regardless of quality or veracity.

The post has been heavily upvoted, and what you've said isn't close to true. Please read and follow the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

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Post by dang »

Lucasoato wrote: post #140
fermienrico wrote: post #118

Also, Zoom's entire engineering team is based in China [1]. China and Chinese companies have no real culture of user centric privacy. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22707528 Edit: Why downvote me? I am not trying to stir up flame wars. Saying anything against China has become impossible to do on HN. Voices get drowned despite of raising real legitimate concerns about privacy, especially for a tool used by m…

totalitarian dictatorship intensifies

Please stop posting unsubstantive comments here.

Re: How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

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Post by fermienrico »

kerng wrote: post #150
fermienrico wrote: post #118

Also, Zoom's entire engineering team is based in China [1]. China and Chinese companies have no real culture of user centric privacy. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22707528 Edit: Why downvote me? I am not trying to stir up flame wars. Saying anything against China has become impossible to do on HN. Voices get drowned despite of raising real legitimate concerns about privacy, especially for a tool used by m…

Thanks for sharing. I'm not too concerned about engineering happening in China but data storage seems problematic, especially because of the lack of encryption on their side. The post or the CNBC link don't seem to have the word Tianjin in them (comments do). Can you provide more details or another source? If that's indeed true I won't be hopping on a Zoom call later this week with my bank for instance.

I'll try to dig out where I read it - Google isn't helping. I am gonna edit my comment to clarify about the source.

Re: How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

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Post by zorked »

fermienrico wrote: post #118

Also, Zoom's entire engineering team is based in China [1]. China and Chinese companies have no real culture of user centric privacy. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22707528 Edit: Why downvote me? I am not trying to stir up flame wars. Saying anything against China has become impossible to do on HN. Voices get drowned despite of raising real legitimate concerns about privacy, especially for a tool used by m…

Your comment is at the top. Please don't complain about downvoting.

"China and Chinese companies have no real culture of user centric privacy."

Citation needed. That's one billion individuals you are talking about.

Re: How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

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Post by dang »

fermienrico wrote: post #118

Also, Zoom's entire engineering team is based in China [1]. China and Chinese companies have no real culture of user centric privacy. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22707528 Edit: Why downvote me? I am not trying to stir up flame wars. Saying anything against China has become impossible to do on HN. Voices get drowned despite of raising real legitimate concerns about privacy, especially for a tool used by m…

Please don't break the site guidelines [1] by going on about downvoting. Your comment has been heavily upvoted. Meanwhile complaints like that linger on as off-topic and false, and don't garbage-collect themselves.

You can use HN Search to verify that HN sees plenty of comments "saying anything against China". The topic is extremely flame-prone because people are wont to hurl generalizations at each other, and worse. Nationalistic flamebait and flamewar is a big problem on HN [2] and destructive of the spirit of this site [1]. Individuals have been attacked here for just for expressing their views while being (or being assumed to be) Chinese, and at least one person was hounded off the site altogether. I'm sure you'll agree that that's shocking and not at all the community we want to be. None of us wants it, but it's easy to get it anyway, once such flames get going.

I don't think your comment was nationalistic flamebait, except insofar as it was rather unsubstantive. Unsubstantive comments on inflammatory topics are guaranteed to come across in a flamey way to some segment of the readership, even when that wasn't your intent. Intent doesn't communicate itself, unfortunately, so the burden is on the commenter to disambiguate [4].

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

[2] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

[3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21200971

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21195898

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19404162

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22608635

[4] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...

Re: How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

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Post by alasdair_ »

lukevp wrote: post #32
aequitas wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We just had a corporate presentation with around 250 people. Normally we use Teams or Slack for internal communication, this was also stated by management, that Zoom should only be used for 'big' meetings like this. I think they know the other solutions will not work as well for bigger groups. I've not had issues with using either solution for small group meetings. Actually I have to go out of my way to run Zoom in t…

Why not use Teams Live for this? We have been using zoom and Teams alternately and Teams performance and ease of use has been much better in my experience, but we have yet to do a 200+ all hands so I was curious if there were some footguns with teams live that you may know about. Teams live works on a lot of platforms and also has a web version.

The only Teams Live meeting I've ever tried to join, we had two people who gave up because their web version didn't support Safari without having to manually go deep into their preferences and change settings from the default.

Re: How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

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Post by [deleted] »

fermienrico wrote: post #118

Also, Zoom's entire engineering team is based in China [1]. China and Chinese companies have no real culture of user centric privacy. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22707528 Edit: Why downvote me? I am not trying to stir up flame wars. Saying anything against China has become impossible to do on HN. Voices get drowned despite of raising real legitimate concerns about privacy, especially for a tool used by m…

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Re: How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

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Post by dang »

zorked wrote: post #155
fermienrico wrote: post #118

Also, Zoom's entire engineering team is based in China [1]. China and Chinese companies have no real culture of user centric privacy. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22707528 Edit: Why downvote me? I am not trying to stir up flame wars. Saying anything against China has become impossible to do on HN. Voices get drowned despite of raising real legitimate concerns about privacy, especially for a tool used by m…

Your comment is at the top. Please don't complain about downvoting. "China and Chinese companies have no real culture of user centric privacy." Citation needed. That's one billion individuals you are talking about.

I don't think it's fair to call that borderline racist. That's an extremely strong word; let's not escalate where it isn't needed. The problem with the statement is that it doesn't come with any substantiation, or additional information.

Re: How the Zoom macOS installer does its job without you clicking ‘install’

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Post by floatingatoll »

lostmsu wrote: post #149
impendia wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a college professor, and I'll share my perspective. For one, Zoom did just work. (At least as a participant, rather than an organizer.) I tried it out, and it immediately worked. It did what all of us were expecting, with no fuss. I also tried MS Teams. It seems designed with a different philosophy: that you use the software to do many different things, and you want them all integrated. (For example, it posted my…

It does not "just work" for me. First, it required a separate client, when even Skype does not. Second, it does not support my browser.

Your unstated criteria for "just work" are "just work in browser", which differs from the definition used by the comment you're replying to.

That is not universally shared among others, including the non-technical folks that Zoom is being widely adopted by.

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