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Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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Post by alasdair_ »

iandanforth wrote: post #127

I fully approve of art theft. There should be honor among thieves of course. You shouldn't damage art. But if a painting isn't stolen now and then, well it wasn't worth painting in the first place. Really, what is art for but to enliven the doldrums of the rich? A moment or three of aesthetic pleasure, bragging at parties, but really most days it's just so much wallpaper. No, the true purpose of art is to be stolen.…

All fine art sales should come with a Wu-Tang clause[1] as part of the paperwork.

https://mobile.twitter.com/eastwes/status/674628837481820160...

[1] Sadly, fictional.

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Post by sgustard »

csomar wrote: post #181

> The thieves smashed a large glass door at the front of the museum to access the building. So let me get this straight. A fairly sized museum that holds, possibly, millions worth of art has absolutely no 24/7 security guards at the front door . Not even a single guard. Come on.

Same reaction here. My company's unoccupied office has a glass door and I lie awake thinking about someone stealing the 10-year old PC off the receptionist's desk.

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Post by ijidak »

iandanforth wrote: post #127

I fully approve of art theft. There should be honor among thieves of course. You shouldn't damage art. But if a painting isn't stolen now and then, well it wasn't worth painting in the first place. Really, what is art for but to enliven the doldrums of the rich? A moment or three of aesthetic pleasure, bragging at parties, but really most days it's just so much wallpaper. No, the true purpose of art is to be stolen.…

Lol. Hilarious.

Who finances something like this?

I have to imagine the robbers knew they had a buyer before they executed the theft.

I mean... you can't just steal a Van Gogh and then, only after, start ask around for who's in the market for a painting, right?

You can't exactly post it on Craigslist or OfferUp.

Imagine something like this had a buyer before it even started, right?

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Post by yesenadam »

peter_d_sherman wrote: post #199

Warning: Really corny humor ahead... So it could be said that the Van Gogh... Van Went... away...

I take it from that that you pronounce "Gogh" like "go". A Dutchman once explained to me that both g's are pronounced with a strongly guttural h sound, like in loch or Bach, or like the Spanish j but much stronger, like you're clearing your throat. And a short "o", like non-USA English "top" - not an "ah" sound. CHhhoChhh. Yes, pretty impossible for English-speakers, but anything would be closer than rhyming it with "go".

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Post by asdff »

analog31 wrote: post #197
alxmdev wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But we're talking about a painting that was sitting in a museum, stored and cared for in ideal conditions and available to the general public. Sounds like it already fulfilled its purpose, without needing to be stolen and traded around by thieves.

It would be easier and safer for them to trade a certificate that represents the theft of the painting.

I'm bullish on stolen van Gogh shares, personally

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Post by dannykwells »

macintux wrote: post #198
dannykwells wrote: post #76

For anyone wanting to have a wonderful 90s flashback featuring the theft of high-end art, you can't do worse during shelter in place than to watch the Thomas Crown Affair: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0155267/

Thanks for the reminder. Rented it tonight via iTunes. It really is an excellent movie.

Yeah we just watched it a few nights ago. Truly is excellent.

And so, so 90s.

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Post by FPGAhacker »

grawprog wrote: post #134
iandanforth wrote: post #127

I fully approve of art theft. There should be honor among thieves of course. You shouldn't damage art. But if a painting isn't stolen now and then, well it wasn't worth painting in the first place. Really, what is art for but to enliven the doldrums of the rich? A moment or three of aesthetic pleasure, bragging at parties, but really most days it's just so much wallpaper. No, the true purpose of art is to be stolen.…

Or the painting gets sold to someone shady overseas for a private collection and it's never seen again. It's not like in movies, there's no romance or drama to it. Stolen art doesn't benefit the common good.

Stolen art opens up the market for forgeries.

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Post by DoreenMichele »

iandanforth wrote: post #127

I fully approve of art theft. There should be honor among thieves of course. You shouldn't damage art. But if a painting isn't stolen now and then, well it wasn't worth painting in the first place. Really, what is art for but to enliven the doldrums of the rich? A moment or three of aesthetic pleasure, bragging at parties, but really most days it's just so much wallpaper. No, the true purpose of art is to be stolen.…

I'm not saying you're right, but, humorously, the fame of the Mona Lisa is rooted in the fact that it was stolen at some point. Before that, it was an obscure and unimportant piece that most people had never heard of.

Theft: almost as good for the reputation of art as the death of the artist.

https://www.historicmysteries.com/theft-of-the-mona-lisa/

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Post by asdff »

devindotcom wrote: post #96
stevehawk wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The irony in that comment is that one of the Soprano actors is actually an artist (painter) and big art buff and scored big on finding a painting at a dealer that "didn't know what he had".. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/sopranos-actor-discovers-1...

That's funny. I know it shouldn't be, but it is always surprising when actors turn out to be very unlike those they portray. Infamous villains played by famously kind people, violent goons played by erudite and talented members of the arts community, etc.

I don't know, being a baroque Italian art collector sounds just like Furio to me!

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Post by asdff »

csomar wrote: post #176
travisoneill1 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where are you going to find a specialized consultant expert enough to judge if its fake who also doesn't know that the painting he is looking at was recently stolen from a museum?

These are oil paintings. I don't have much expertise in that but I think it'll be impossible to counterfeit the smallest details.

Can't fake the inorganic chemist that the museum hires to date paint compositions.
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