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Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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Photo of the artwork is missing from apnews. You can find one here - https://news.artnet.com/art-world/thieves-stolen-van-gogh-ma...

The muted greenish brown colouring, the strange wide aspect ratio, the generally dark tone and setting: if you'd try to sell this to me as a Van Gogh painting, I would have probably laughed at you. I'm far from being an art historian, but it looks quite out of character for a Van Gogh.

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Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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The value (in terms of money) of art has always been confusing to me. Art has monetary value because: 1 it is a famous, one-of-a-kind piece 2 it can be used for money laundering and/or illegal transactions Pieces in museums are always in the #1 category. Any other piece with high monetary value is clearly in the #2 category. This stolen van Gogh will probably end up in a private collection, but really, what's the poi…

I mean, I have a Renoir print up in my house. If I had $100 billion I’d probably have the original up. There is a demand for art as a consumption good.

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For a van Gogh that would never work. No legitimate art dealer would touch it. Regardless of the amount of time in between.

Give it enough time, and will anyone even know who the rightful owner is supposed to be? I have a feeling van Gogh's fame will probably outlast the Netherlands, let alone a claim of legal ownership by one museum.

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Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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Photo of the artwork is missing from apnews. You can find one here - https://news.artnet.com/art-world/thieves-stolen-van-gogh-ma...

The muted greenish brown colouring, the strange wide aspect ratio, the generally dark tone and setting: if you'd try to sell this to me as a Van Gogh painting, I would have probably laughed at you. I'm far from being an art historian, but it looks quite out of character for a Van Gogh.

He wasn’t born painting sunflowers. If you look at http://art-vangogh.com/1885.html, there a lot of dark portraits (also, if I’m counting correctly, 140 paintings in a single year)

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I'm surprised that, at this point, there are still originals in museums, especially for very desirable works as some replicas are hard to tell apart from the original. It can be done. If they hire professional 'replicators', this type of museum theft could be completely eradicated. Another possibility is that maybe in this case a replica was stolen and the museum doesn't want to divulge that. And want to add that thi…

One of the draws of going to a museum is to see the originals. If you know it's a fake then it takes away from the mystique.

Yes, this 100%. However, when you go to the museum and get to see an original and are mind blown by it, have a mystical experience but you not aware that what you looked at is indeed a perfect copy. It's all psychological. This is one reason museums don't want to disclose that they have copies on display.

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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What is the end goal for the thieves? Seeing as you obviously can't sell stolen artwork on the open market- how many insanely wealthy private collectors can there be out there, who are willing to risk substantial prison time to own a stolen painting? I think many or most people who have that much money probably made it legally and don't have that kind of risk tolerance. And I doubt many mob boss/Tony Soprano types re…

It may not be presented to prospective buyers under truthful conditions.

"I promise this is the OTHER Van Gogh by the same name, not the one that comes in news stories about the theft when you Google it."

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What is the end goal for the thieves? Seeing as you obviously can't sell stolen artwork on the open market- how many insanely wealthy private collectors can there be out there, who are willing to risk substantial prison time to own a stolen painting? I think many or most people who have that much money probably made it legally and don't have that kind of risk tolerance. And I doubt many mob boss/Tony Soprano types re…

If you can get the goods to the Middle East (Qatar, UAE, Bahrain) I assure you there are filthy rich princes and sheikhs who (1) want to give the impression of a respect for fine art, and (2) are at absolutely no risk of prosecution, and (3) would drop the money just for fun / social posturing, not even as an investment.

You have examples of other stolen art they possess?

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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Photo of the artwork is missing from apnews. You can find one here - https://news.artnet.com/art-world/thieves-stolen-van-gogh-ma...

The muted greenish brown colouring, the strange wide aspect ratio, the generally dark tone and setting: if you'd try to sell this to me as a Van Gogh painting, I would have probably laughed at you. I'm far from being an art historian, but it looks quite out of character for a Van Gogh.

One of his most famous paintings matches 2 out of 3 of your criticisms, he only went wild with colour later. I agree the style change can seem abrupt but it happened over years.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Potato_Eaters

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The muted greenish brown colouring, the strange wide aspect ratio, the generally dark tone and setting: if you'd try to sell this to me as a Van Gogh painting, I would have probably laughed at you. I'm far from being an art historian, but it looks quite out of character for a Van Gogh.

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I'm not questioning the painting's authenticity. I'm merely bewildered that someone would steal a Van Gogh that doesn't look like a Van Gogh to the untrained eye - how are you going to impress your billionaire friends with that hanging over the fireplace of your lair?

Although the thief will probably just blackmail the insurance/museum, so the style of the painting doesn't matter at all.

Re: Dutch museum says van Gogh painting stolen in overnight raid

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What is the end goal for the thieves? Seeing as you obviously can't sell stolen artwork on the open market- how many insanely wealthy private collectors can there be out there, who are willing to risk substantial prison time to own a stolen painting? I think many or most people who have that much money probably made it legally and don't have that kind of risk tolerance. And I doubt many mob boss/Tony Soprano types re…

If you don't think there are loads of shady rich people in the world, you need to wake up.
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