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Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by viklove »

tensor wrote: post #81
usaar333 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Well, this jibes with reality. I could care less about actual case counts - few countries are close to having the capacity to test everyone so who cares. What is a huge problem with China is the death statistics. Looking at Lombardy with 6k+ deaths with the outbreak not yet peaked, am I really s…

China's reporting in no way made it seem less urgent. The reported fatality rate hasn't significantly changed from their reports.

They're reporting 2.5k deaths in Wuhan, while most estimates and other sources put it closer to 20k+. A factor of 10 isn't much of a change?

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by StavrosK »

tigermelon wrote: post #82
StavrosK wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plus, "couldn't care less", though I'm fighting a losing fight.

Sorry, I have to. "I could care less" can mean "I could (stand to) care less". As in, "The amount I could care about this is zero because it's so irrelevant, but in responding to this discussion or otherwise engaging the topic, I have exhibited a bit of care, albeit undue." For fun, I sometimes like to propose this to anyone who brings it up, but I could care less whether people say "could" or "couldn't". :) Edit: Ha…

"I could care less" could mean anything other than "I don't care completely", including "I care passionately about this, it is the thing I care most about", thus making it meaningless. If I said "I could work less", would you assume I meant "I work almost zero hours"?

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by jariel »

bigpumpkin wrote: post #66
Majromax wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When you do widespread testing as China did in Zhejiang you can find a lot of mild cases. Indeed, Iceland, which did the same, has 1020 cases and 2 deaths. Two significant notes, however: * China reports that its outbreak has largely resolved. The vast majority of the 1,000 cases in Iceland are still active, so we don't know how many deaths Iceland will eventually have. South Korea's current fatality rate still see…

Guangdong China: 320,000 tests by Feb 28, 2820 positive cases. Positive rate: 0.8% Iceland: 3,787 tests by March 18, 330 positive cases. Positive rate: 8.7% Clearly Guangdong did more testing with respect to its epidemic than Iceland. Let's look at New York State: 172,360 tests by March 29, 59513 positive cases Positive rate: 34.5%

Iceland as of March 30 has done 16K tests. Which is 45K/million people (4.5% of their entire pop), they have 6.6% infection rate. [1]

Hubei population is 60M. So they'd have to do 2.7 Million tests to have the same degree of testing at Iceland.

Even with an excessive lockdown, it seems that just on this issue alone, China's numbers look really quite wrong.

That there was a breakout in other parts of the country and almost no deaths look very suspicious.

Combined with the fact that all public Chinese information is part of an 'orchestration of public opinion' (i.e. propaganda effort) and is not based in any reality, so of course, there's a credibility problem to begin with.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_testing

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by righteous »

phoenixstrike wrote: post #3

Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers. Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having…

> Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having now leading to underreporting of numbers, back in Jan-Feb when every commenter on reddit and HN were saying China was covering it up.

I wish I could be as generous as you but China had a history of lying and suppressing objective truth. They behave more like Russia during the Cold War, than western countries with free and unrestricted press.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by StavrosK »

neltnerb wrote: post #80
StavrosK wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Plus, "couldn't care less", though I'm fighting a losing fight.

Maybe they could care less? Yes, it's a losing fight. Of course, it's probably more literally true that they could care less, after all, they care enough to post about it on the internet. They probably don't do that for... um... articles about the 1984 Honda Accord after all? Oh English.

Think of "I could go out less", "I could eat less", "I could spend less", etc. All these phrases clearly imply that you're overdoing it now and need to stop. "I could care less", as used, means the opposite, that they don't care almost at all.

Your explanation is a retcon.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by bogomipz »

derefr wrote: post #68
bogomipz wrote: post #59

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>"Well, this jives with reality." You want "jibes" here. Jive means to talk nonsense: https://www.grammarbook.com/homonyms/jibe-jive.asp

Huh. I figured that "jive" was a musical term first-and-foremost, and therefore to say "jiving with" was a bit like saying "grooving with" or more generally "in sync with." But apparently the use of the word "jive" to mean "talking nonsense" is the older, original usage, and the type of music/dance is named after the term, rather than the other way around. TIL.

No I think its the other way around. "Jive" was still in use up until the late 70s - The Bee Gees hit "Jive Talkin'" and a well-known scene form the comedy movie "Airplane" both being examples. It is/was almost always used in connection with speaking i.e "don't jive talk me"

The earlier musical dance/reference is the really just the Johnny Otis song which is actually just a Bo Diddley rip-off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxU995zbfno

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by tensor »

viklove wrote: post #91
tensor wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China's reporting in no way made it seem less urgent. The reported fatality rate hasn't significantly changed from their reports.

They're reporting 2.5k deaths in Wuhan, while most estimates and other sources put it closer to 20k+. A factor of 10 isn't much of a change?

I don't deal in speculation and rumours sorry. The 2-3% assuming you have medical treatment has held true. The 10+% hospitalization has held true.

The lack of response from the US is in no way due to China's reporting, it's due to the US propaganda and incompetence.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by droopyEyelids »

tensor wrote: post #81
usaar333 wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Well, this jibes with reality. I could care less about actual case counts - few countries are close to having the capacity to test everyone so who cares. What is a huge problem with China is the death statistics. Looking at Lombardy with 6k+ deaths with the outbreak not yet peaked, am I really s…

China's reporting in no way made it seem less urgent. The reported fatality rate hasn't significantly changed from their reports.

In December, China's influence caused the WHO -not- to report human to human transmission. This was despite the known infection of healthcare workers, and counter to the reports made from Taiwan.

Human-human transmission is one of the fundamental elements used to determine the urgency of an outbreak.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by maallooc »

gruez wrote: post #85
maallooc wrote: post #74

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So? Having a traffic cam and/or having a traffic cam live feed does not prove that country has a 'mass surveillance network'.

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Am I missing something from your rebuttal? Where are 'phone scanners, facial-recognition cameras, face and fingerprint databases and many others' in South Korea?

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Post by Cpoll »

StavrosK wrote: post #92
tigermelon wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, I have to. "I could care less" can mean "I could (stand to) care less". As in, "The amount I could care about this is zero because it's so irrelevant, but in responding to this discussion or otherwise engaging the topic, I have exhibited a bit of care, albeit undue." For fun, I sometimes like to propose this to anyone who brings it up, but I could care less whether people say "could" or "couldn't". :) Edit: Ha…

"I could care less" could mean anything other than "I don't care completely", including "I care passionately about this, it is the thing I care most about", thus making it meaningless. If I said "I could work less", would you assume I meant "I work almost zero hours"?

If on the other hand you said "I could work less," I would assume that (note the italics).
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