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Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers

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Re: Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers

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Is it? What kind of crime would it fall under, and where is that?

This is illegal pretty much at least everywhere within the EU.

I live in the EU and I cannot think of a single law where the employeer cannot take screenshots of the machines they own. I'll be happily proven wrong though.

Re: Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers

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Mark Cuban got it right last week when he said that the way companies treat their employees over the next few months will define their brand for the next several decades. Companies insisting on this level of control are simply adding cost now and making employee retention difficult for when we end up coming out of this. If your company can't handle ground-level employees having some autonomy in their work, then your…

I am going to add anecdote from my little corner. Last week all of our team ( 10+ people total ). Not terrible and it happened before so we were good. All of a sudden, vendor suffered a breach. We went into disaster mode and survived the day. That day was Friday. In its infinite wisdom senior management tried to bring one volunteer on a Sunday to the office so that they can manually do the things we did remote on Friday. No one volunteered, because it was a retarded idea. It was clear they wanted a live body to yell at. Friday was that kind of day. They eventually backed off.

But senior management here is old and unwilling to let go of control they thought they had so far.

Out of completeness, my pc is riddled with control crap running in background often slowing me down. Some of it makes sense ( why are you moving all this data ? ; why are looking up marijuana dispensary address ). Most of it does not fall under reasonable category..

So what people do? They adapt. They know their work pcs are riddled with crap so they spend ridiculous amount of time on their pocket computers instead..

It is a weird arms race.

Re: Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers

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Two things: Productivity is going to plunge no matter what, with the possible exception of singles who don’t have roommates. There is no way that during an ad hoc and unorganized push to work remote (though necessary in this circumstance) can result in good productivity, monitoring or not. Under the best of circumstances it would take months for a mass of people to adjust and be productive. The apex for open office d…

Bullpen type offices get close to universal criticism. The only time I really see them praised is when people have variety to move to private offices when they want, to work off site, etc. When you only occasionally have to endure that environment and your productivity then isn't critical, it can be novel.

When it's a forced situation it's not something people love.

Random anecdote: I was involved with an office move once where we (a relatively small org) were choosing how to layout the new office. One individual was a fervent advocate that we needed a hip, cool open office for all that wonderful synergy, etc. So in the new space we made a hip, open space, and then classic cubicles, and everyone put in private requests where they wanted to be.

100% of the people chose cubicles. The person I mentioned chose probably the farthest away, most private cubicle.

It's not a particularly unique situation, but it's just another example that people are often full of shit. When we're imposing on other people some ideas can sound better, especially if they're trendy.

As to productivity, the majority of jobs are bullshit jobs. Reddit, HN, Slashdot in the old days have their heyday during the "work" day in the respective zones. If people achieved 5% productivity they would be more productive than they normally are in many cases.

Re: Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers

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This happened to me years ago. I was put in an empty office at the opposite end from my boss, and because he couldn't walk up behind me to see me working, he secretly installed a program on my computer that took a screenshot every 30 seconds (or so?). I quickly noticed that my computer was hitching regularly (when the screenshot was taken - this was in the late 90s BTW), and so investigated my computer on a day when…

Where I live what he did is a fairly serious criminal offence.

No where is this a criminal offense in the USA. In fact, “spy software” installed on company computers is widely common.

Re: Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers

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Two sides of the story. One: people that are doing this are likely to have already been bad bosses. I don't think this changes anything. Two: I work for a large bank. My director, on a town hall, told us they do understand that not everybody will be able to focus on the job as before and that they expect us to spend less time actually working and be unavailable more often. Then he URGED us to actually do so. To take…

Yeah, I think bosses who freak out about people not being productive while working from home underestimate how much people can avoid being productive while physically at work.

Re: Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers

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It appears to be standard practice everywhere in corporate America.

It's standard practice if you agree to it in your employment contract.

And if you don't, you generally don't get employed.

Re: Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it? What kind of crime would it fall under, and where is that?

This is illegal pretty much at least everywhere within the EU.

It is in the Netherlands, permanent surveillance of employees without a specific reason (read: related to a specific instance or incident) is not permitted.

Re: Bosses panic-buy spy software to keep tabs on remote workers

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is illegal pretty much at least everywhere within the EU.

I live in the EU and I cannot think of a single law where the employeer cannot take screenshots of the machines they own. I'll be happily proven wrong though.

Without consent is the key.
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