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Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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While things like masks and social distancing are more likely to be already in place in Japanese culture, there definitely seems to be a bit of a surprise regarding actual numbers vs. means put in place to prevent the spread.

The reports seem to reflect the opacity of communication of Japan's situation about the Covid-19. It's good that the author put out actionable suggestions at the end, but I'm wondering if the opacity is a result of internal issues or intended opacity. Makes me glad to see Canada's stats[1] being so clear in comparison.

[1] https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/diseases/201...

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers.

Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having now leading to underreporting of numbers, back in Jan-Feb when every commenter on reddit and HN were saying China was covering it up.

Meanwhile people just assume Japan's numbers must be honest because... why? Anyone who has the slightest awareness of how Japan works knows that this is par for the course. And no, it's not just the government brainwashing the people. The people are complacent in this and defend their government by rejecting criticism and continuing to vote them in office.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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post #2

While things like masks and social distancing are more likely to be already in place in Japanese culture, there definitely seems to be a bit of a surprise regarding actual numbers vs. means put in place to prevent the spread. The reports seem to reflect the opacity of communication of Japan's situation about the Covid-19. It's good that the author put out actionable suggestions at the end, but I'm wondering if the op…

The strategy here is clearly fighting Covid-19 with 'Security through obscurity'.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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While things like masks and social distancing are more likely to be already in place in Japanese culture, there definitely seems to be a bit of a surprise regarding actual numbers vs. means put in place to prevent the spread. The reports seem to reflect the opacity of communication of Japan's situation about the Covid-19. It's good that the author put out actionable suggestions at the end, but I'm wondering if the op…

I am extremely suspicious that Japan's numbers look good because they have not been testing enough.

Given that honesty in testing consistently precedes the eventual slowdown in deaths by several weeks, I strongly suspect that Japan is maliciously incompetent and a lot of dead Japanese will be the result.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers. Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having…

The big difference is that the chines communist party is actively suppressing messages And prosecuting people who go against the governments narrative.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers. Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having…

> Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie

Lie, that involves intent so I don't know that I care to indicate or debate that.

Highly skeptical, yeah I am considering they've already a long track record of suppressing information / people related to the COVID situation.

Less free countries have little reason / a long track record of hiding bad news, from their own people, others, etc, and they have less free media, people to discover / tell anyone otherwise.

>Meanwhile people just assume Japan's numbers must be honest because... why?

Here we are discussing an article that doesn't assume that.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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post #6

Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers. Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having…

The big difference is that the chines communist party is actively suppressing messages And prosecuting people who go against the governments narrative.

No idea why this is downvoted because it's literally what's happening in China, regardless of the failures elsewhere.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Popular opinion in the US regarding the integrity of various countries' coronavirus reporting is hilarious. Whatever China says must ALWAYS be a lie, on the other hand, the US numbers are not "suppressed," it's just incompetence. Meanwhile, nobody is batting an eye at Japan's ridiculously and obviously doctored numbers. Hey guys, maybe China was just having literally the same organizational problems the US is having…

> Meanwhile people just assume Japan's numbers must be honest because... why?

Maybe because modern Japan doesn't have a track record of mass censorship and disappearing people who oppose governmental line?

Chinese gov is trying to blame US as source of the virus. I think Trump only dreams of being 'creative' on that level.

That said, I am not defending or justifying gov of Japan. This can be incompetence or malicious data tampering to look better.

Re: Problems with Japan's Covid-19 reports

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference is that the chines communist party is actively suppressing messages And prosecuting people who go against the governments narrative.

No idea why this is downvoted because it's literally what's happening in China, regardless of the failures elsewhere.

Downvoted maybe because spelling and capitalization errors?

Edit: Holy crispy, it's just an idea of mine, not an assertion or endorsement or confirmation. Geeze.

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