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Re: AWS Ground Station

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Sorry, but what would be the use case for running code on a satellite?

A few solid cases are: - space-qualification for the satellite control software. You need to test your own flight software in space, so you use our satellite platform to run test/validation and then reuse on your own satellite. - space-based algorithm tests, such as data compression/error correction or radiation hardening through software means. Inter-satellite link protocols is also a rich field for software develop…

If you guys make an “I put my code in orbit” badge (virtual and/or physical) I will wear it...! That’s another use case - vanity! I’m not being sarcastic, I’d love this.

Re: AWS Ground Station

#132

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A few solid cases are: - space-qualification for the satellite control software. You need to test your own flight software in space, so you use our satellite platform to run test/validation and then reuse on your own satellite. - space-based algorithm tests, such as data compression/error correction or radiation hardening through software means. Inter-satellite link protocols is also a rich field for software develop…

If you guys make an “I put my code in orbit” badge (virtual and/or physical) I will wear it...! That’s another use case - vanity! I’m not being sarcastic, I’d love this.

We plan to run a Kickstarter for that exactly :) Keep in touch with us on our mailing list:

https://blog.exodusorbitals.com/nova-a-crowd-flyable-satelli...

Re: AWS Ground Station

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This was sufficiently close in timing that I wasn't sure for a moment whether this was just an early caught April Fools. Then again, the more I think about it, the more this makes sense. Satellite business is hard and capital intensive enough as it is, for starters in the micro-satellite business it would be absolutely prohibitive to run their own hardware just to receive those signals.

They do have some impressive "I didn't know anyone would need that!" services. I also love this one: https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/ > AWS Snowmobile is an Exabyte-scale data transfer service used to move extremely large amounts of data to AWS. You can transfer up to 100PB per Snowmobile, a 45-foot long ruggedized shipping container, pulled by a semi-trailer truck. (...)

Microsoft has a similar service called Databox, wouldn't be surprised if GCS has something like this as well

https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/databox/

Re: AWS Ground Station

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post #73

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They do have some impressive "I didn't know anyone would need that!" services. I also love this one: https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/ > AWS Snowmobile is an Exabyte-scale data transfer service used to move extremely large amounts of data to AWS. You can transfer up to 100PB per Snowmobile, a 45-foot long ruggedized shipping container, pulled by a semi-trailer truck. (...)

Microsoft has a similar service called Databox, wouldn't be surprised if GCS has something like this as well https://azure.microsoft.com/en-us/services/databox/

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Re: AWS Ground Station

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What's so weird about 54mhz? It's very close to the somewhat commonly used 6 meter band by hams

Bandwidth and frequency are very different. They have a 54MHz wide uplink, at whichever of the supported bands you want.

I'm a person who knows nothing about these things, and my quick googling didn't help me - how "fast" is 54MHz wide uplink? Can it be measured in internet network speeds, or in what kind of way can I compare the speed of it?

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This is ridiculous and I love it. Do your satellites have cameras that can be interfaced with as well? Could I have a satellite monitoring a specific area 24/7?

Yes for cameras. No to 24/7 monitoring for quite a long while - need a really large constellation for that (think Starlink/OneWeb scale).

Understandable - could I instead strategically rent time slots for when the satellite passes over a certain location? That's not 24/7, but once a day for basic data science is certainly enough.

Re: AWS Ground Station

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post #73

This was sufficiently close in timing that I wasn't sure for a moment whether this was just an early caught April Fools. Then again, the more I think about it, the more this makes sense. Satellite business is hard and capital intensive enough as it is, for starters in the micro-satellite business it would be absolutely prohibitive to run their own hardware just to receive those signals.

They do have some impressive "I didn't know anyone would need that!" services. I also love this one: https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/ > AWS Snowmobile is an Exabyte-scale data transfer service used to move extremely large amounts of data to AWS. You can transfer up to 100PB per Snowmobile, a 45-foot long ruggedized shipping container, pulled by a semi-trailer truck. (...)

I work on Google Cloud and have an obvious bias here, but having thought about this for a couple year now, this does not seem like a good or cost-effective way to move that much data.

In particular if you have ~100PB of data to move and you are in a location that can be reached by a 45-foot long shipping container on a truck with access to the ~350KW of power it takes to run Snowmobile, you're clearly not somewhere _completely_ inaccessible. Given that 100PB of data will cost you $400k/mo in storage costs on AWS Glacier (before the discounts that you'll obviously negotiate for), even relatively remote locations become "accessible" for 100 Gbps+ fiber or microwave connectivity, and _very_ remote locations for tens of Gbps. The Snowmobile itself is only 1 Tb/s, so if you think you're going to save time this work, consider how long it takes to move it to you and then move it to an AWS facility versus the time it takes to fill it.

I don't get where this is the right call for _any_ customers, even as a one-off. I'd love it if someone from AWS could tell me where my math is off on this.

Re: AWS Ground Station

#138

Amazon has a habit to make it's internal tools into AWS services (while still using them internally). I think it shows a tip of some space-related works inside.

to my knowledge, amazon had done a lot of satellite image processing for certain three letter agencies. this is probably related to that more than anything.

Re: AWS Ground Station

#139
post #73

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They do have some impressive "I didn't know anyone would need that!" services. I also love this one: https://aws.amazon.com/snowmobile/ > AWS Snowmobile is an Exabyte-scale data transfer service used to move extremely large amounts of data to AWS. You can transfer up to 100PB per Snowmobile, a 45-foot long ruggedized shipping container, pulled by a semi-trailer truck. (...)

I work on Google Cloud and have an obvious bias here, but having thought about this for a couple year now, this does not seem like a good or cost-effective way to move that much data. In particular if you have ~100PB of data to move and you are in a location that can be reached by a 45-foot long shipping container on a truck with access to the ~350KW of power it takes to run Snowmobile, you're clearly not somewhere _…

It reads to me like you're saying: if you're going to spend $400k/month on storage cost, why not pay for a network buildout too? I don't think that allocating X per month for op-ex implies that you also have Y amount of money to spend on cap-ex... especially if you don't own the location. 350kw of power is just another trailer to pull up.

Re: AWS Ground Station

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> AWS eliminated all capex expenditures You were always able to just rent servers running in someone else's data center. AWS as we know it launched in 2006, [1] is Hetzner's homepage from 2001 offering dedicated servers for $125/month + $125 setup fee. By 2005 [2] you can get a AMD Athlon XP 3000+ with 1 GB RAM and 350GB traffic for 39€/month. 1: https://web.archive.org/web/20010813053224/http://www.hetzne... 2: http…

Hetzner's pricing is a reflection of the generally lower price level in Europe. Dedicated server providers with US datacenters do exist, but their pricing is much closer to Amazon's.

Why are they so expensive? German electricity is ~2x as expensive as the cheaper US regions.
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