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Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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The US hasn't had domestic telecom infrastructure firms for many years. We rely on Nokia and Ericsson, and both have failed to compete with Huawei.

What about Qualcomm, Motorola, Intel?

They're on the handset side. The cellular infrastructure itself comes from Huawei, Ericsson, and Nokia.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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> China had an obligation to its citizens and to the world. The CCP decided they didn't care if the virus went worldwide. That's homicide, and they should pay for making people whole again. I'm no fan of the CCP, but this is ridiculous. In your hypothetical world where China takes action to prevent this, what would they have done? The common reaction from public health professionals to the Hubei lockdown was that it…

> In your hypothetical world where China takes action to prevent this, what would they have done? Why did they ask for international travel to remain open while simultaneously limiting internal travel? Why did they threaten to stop shipments of the medicines they manufacture? Why did they silence the whistleblowers? Why are they telling their people the virus originated from the US and Italy? Why did they decline aid…

We had an understanding of the virus and the dangers. Not only that we had real examples of it spreading outside of China. We chose to do nothing.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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> I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China. I pay the administration no mind whatsoever. The way this has been handed by Trump is beyond incompetent. Placing the blame on China is an opinion I reached entirely on my own while the president was still out golfing. I'm speaking out because I want our leadership to take action. I'll be asking my representatives to stick China with…

The world had time to evaluate the trickle of news and intelligence agencies knew earlier. Some countries took heed and prepared and are now looking at a different Future. Did they take responsibility for themselves? Who is responsible for the future of Taiwan or South Korea? China? The US? Blame is an important tool for the structuring of responsibility, but responsibility is ultimately about results — but whose res…

We should take up our burdens, since we can only blame ourselves for not preparing. I don’t think the issue was believing in China (as you stated China is known for suppressing information), the issue was hubris. There were plenty of signals that the virus was spreading and still we did not do anything effective while some other countries did. We have our own leaders to blame and it would be more effective to select better leaders than to blame external sources.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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> I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China. I pay the administration no mind whatsoever. The way this has been handed by Trump is beyond incompetent. Placing the blame on China is an opinion I reached entirely on my own while the president was still out golfing. I'm speaking out because I want our leadership to take action. I'll be asking my representatives to stick China with…

China looks to be bouncing back ... how bad has COVID affected their economy vs. all other economies? Is COVID going to help them in the global economy? If so, I wouldn't put it past China as unleashing this virus on the world purposely. Before COVID China had SARS. Why are these virus all coming from there?

Also keep in mind China is a massive country with over 2 billion people. Just by having a denser population they are more likely to catch a mutation.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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We had a huge influence over the EU, that's gone out the window now. You can't become great by isolating yourself.

We had a huge influence right up until push came to shove and then we had none. I agree we can't become great - isolation or not; I believe that isolation isn't on the table either - next few weeks excluded. The reality is that France and Germany shafted the UK publicly and conclusively during the euro crisis, they also shafted the Greeks - but I'm not Greek so that's less of a problem for me. Remember also that they…

We aren't in the Euro zone and were never likely to be.

They did not remove the Italian government.

The Greeks shafted themselves.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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See William Barr remark on buying controlling share in SE & Nokia if Huawei dominance becomes real, it'll be Crypto AG round 2. Going with SE & Nokia just means maintaining status quo, aka giving US preferential access since they control much of the higher OSI stack. It's a disingenuous argument. In fact the Australian PM has recently confirmed the "conspiracy theory" that the primary concern AU intelligence over Hua…

I hadn't considered that huawei might make it harder to spy on each others citizens and report back. That's an interesting point.

The US has unparalleled intelligence gathering abilities, intelligence agencies with privileged access doesn't want to lose intelligence sharing with them. Similar to countries under US military security umbrella, FVEY and other intelligence alliances aren't equal contributors. Which leads to situations in many countries where intelligence interests conflicts with trade interests, and you get situations like UK firing their defense secretary who leaked secret meeting info in order sway decision making.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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> When this is all over, I hope every county tallies the bill for the virus and subtracts that from their debt to China. They lied, hid information, and told us to keep travel open while simultaneously welding people inside their homes. It's worse than negligent, and they should lose their investments overseas to repay the damage done. I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China.…

> I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China. I pay the administration no mind whatsoever. The way this has been handed by Trump is beyond incompetent. Placing the blame on China is an opinion I reached entirely on my own while the president was still out golfing. I'm speaking out because I want our leadership to take action. I'll be asking my representatives to stick China with…

Also if you're going to demand reparations or place blame, you should be blaming the people who are still ignoring this virus in America and needlessly spreading it in spite of authority figures and evidence not to. China isn't blaming the first person that got the virus, and we shouldn't be blaming the first country. At what point are you going to start shifting blame from who started it to who's continuing it?

We should be focusing on the people who currently still aren't dong anything: megachurches, Spring Breakers in Florida, virus-change deniers.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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America historically is infamous for making sure that anything besides their system (capitalism, supposedly) fails to work, and taking quite an active approach to make sure it happens. In theory, if you believed you're doing things the right way then you shouldn't have to worry about making sure another system fails (if it doesn't fail, then maybe you were wrong?). This applies as much to startups and their attitudes…

This comment's getting downvoted but I can't really see anything here I disagree with. Would any downvoters like to share an alternative opinion in the interests of discussion?

I didn’t downvote, but I’ll take a shot at answering it for you....

> If our politicians believed in human rights then why didn't they do anything to stop China earlier?

They did. Multiple administrations held the belief that if they could pull China into the fold economically, then they would open up.

This strategy was literally the opposite of what the US did with the Soviet Union, with the idea that we didn’t want another Cold War.

Clearly it didn’t work, but until a couple years ago, everyone thought it was.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly is a popular opinion.

Lmfao no. MAD is still here and nuclear weapons didn't just evaporate. No one on either side of the Pacific wants a hot war. Saber rattling over Taiwan once every decade doesn't count because each side knows that the game of chicken won't go all the way. If there is war with China, life on Earth will end. There is no situation for a war between the USA and China that doesn't end with nuclear annihilation

Actually, there is one: civil war in China, with the eventual arrival of an outside entity to support one of the sides.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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China looks to be bouncing back ... how bad has COVID affected their economy vs. all other economies? Is COVID going to help them in the global economy? If so, I wouldn't put it past China as unleashing this virus on the world purposely. Before COVID China had SARS. Why are these virus all coming from there?

Viruses can mutate and come from anywhere. Granted that animal market probably was not very hygienic, H1N1, Spanish Flu (which did not originate from Spain), pox viruses, mad cow, all did not originate from China. You're probably holding this opinion because those are the freshest in your mind?

Not into conspiracies and this as of now has been unproven. Though Wuhan is now open for business giving China a head start on restarting their economy while everyone elses is completely stopped. Do you not think that is going to boost their economy and make it stronger then almost all others???
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