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Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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So the US preaches nationalism, protectionism, and isolationism except when it's not in their own interest? Edit: My point (which probably wasn't clear) was that if you run an "America First" agenda. Don't be surprised when your allies start prioritizing their own interest above mutual interests.

Yes. Each nation looks out for its own interests and the interests of its citizens. The only thing that's surprising is that a large number of citizens seem to think that this is unusual or immoral.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When this is all over, I hope every county tallies the bill for the virus and subtracts that from their debt to China. They lied, hid information, and told us to keep travel open while simultaneously welding people inside their homes. It's worse than negligent, and they should lose their investments overseas to repay the damage done. I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China.…

> I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China. I pay the administration no mind whatsoever. The way this has been handed by Trump is beyond incompetent. Placing the blame on China is an opinion I reached entirely on my own while the president was still out golfing. I'm speaking out because I want our leadership to take action. I'll be asking my representatives to stick China with…

The world had time to evaluate the trickle of news and intelligence agencies knew earlier. Some countries took heed and prepared and are now looking at a different Future. Did they take responsibility for themselves? Who is responsible for the future of Taiwan or South Korea? China? The US?

Blame is an important tool for the structuring of responsibility, but responsibility is ultimately about results — but whose results? And who shall take up our burdens?

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Huawei is in large part built upon technology stolen from Cisco and Canada's Nortel Networks. In the latter case, there is strong evidence China was able to maintain access to Nortel's internal networks for over a decade (!!) which helped kill the 117 year old company. [1] The government of China is systematically hacking corporations through the Ministry of State Security, and attempting to the switch the allegiance…

> which helped kill the 117 year old company. [1]

If Nortel ever been killed by somebody, that was by financial engineers from hedge funds, and inexperienced managers that came to board after the bubble popped

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #4

What are the British thinking? Do they think they'll get a better deal from China than the US? Or is their intention to use this as a bargaining chip against the US?

The UK is weak following Brexit, it needs friends wherever it can find them.

The UK's weakness was exposed by the 2011 veto and subsequent upending of the EU treaties to suit everyone apart from the UK. We had been floundering in that club since 2009, despite bailing out other members (ie. Ireland) - and when push came to shove Germany and France made it clear that the UK could shove off. The UK is no weaker now than it was then - it's just that it's clear where we stand. The great powers of the world (China, US, Germany) act in their own interests, the UK must act as if that is true and attempt to navigate around them - or we must simply be subjugated to one of them. I believe that Germany in particular will regret this situation in the future, with a pretense of a triumvirate of powers and associated allies (ie. France, Italy, Spain etc; UK, Poland, etc; Germany and everyone else) there was a chance of a very different EU. That's gone now and Germany must take the reigns - and it will be in a very different strategic context.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #6

China is indeed very divise for our global powerstructures. This Video shows a WHO official battling with this(if you want to look kindly upon him): https://twitter.com/nathanlawkc/status/1243889673207832577 What bugs me is that I'm really unsure if I should post anything critical of China, it's scary what that could mean for my family 30 years down the road.

> What bugs me is that I'm really unsure if I should post anything critical of China, it's scary what that could mean for my family 30 years down the road. I thought the same and I have no family ties there. (Though back in the early 00's I had fun studying in China and had wished to return.) I'm more worried about what happens if we don't speak out. While we need to fix our Western democracies, we can't ignore the b…

So Roko's basilisk was China all along.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

#56

China is indeed very divise for our global powerstructures. This Video shows a WHO official battling with this(if you want to look kindly upon him): https://twitter.com/nathanlawkc/status/1243889673207832577 What bugs me is that I'm really unsure if I should post anything critical of China, it's scary what that could mean for my family 30 years down the road.

The chilling effect is very real. Beware everyone. Where is the press over this?

Interestingly a good part of the western press is pro-China. Just look at the COVID-19 coverage. We now know China lied on numbers (not that I think anyone here doubted of that), but western press was happy to push the narrative that China handled it so well (nvm the fact that they let it out to other countries to begin with).

What do they gain from this? I don't know. It's definitely not the first time i see this.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

#57
post #22

>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

> Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Yes, it's a national security issue. The rest of your post is nonsense as well. And by the way, you forgot to mention that "a chinese CFO" is related to the president of Huawei, a member of the PLA. You can always spot the Huawei apologists because they never seem to mention the PLA connection.

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Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Huawei is in large part built upon technology stolen from Cisco and Canada's Nortel Networks. In the latter case, there is strong evidence China was able to maintain access to Nortel's internal networks for over a decade (!!) which helped kill the 117 year old company. [1] The government of China is systematically hacking corporations through the Ministry of State Security, and attempting to the switch the allegiance…

The idea that Nortel was killed by anything other than incompetence and mismanagement is laughably ignorant.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

#59
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This rhetoric against China, legitimate or not, seems like a precursor to war. I wish somebody would investigate if a troll factory is behind it or if it truly is a popular opinion.

I for one am surprised that anyone who is aware of some of the actions perpetrated by China's ruling regime with regards to their handling of the covid19 outbreak feels that they don't warant any criticism, and tried to pin any criticism on conspiracy theories involving troll farms and beating war drums.

Of course one can and should assign blame where it is due to the CCP. But demanding vengeful reparations from the whole country is pretty much a precursor to war. I can totally imagine a few leaders riling up public emotions this way and also conveniently directing all responsibilities outwards. I really hope the world doesn't repeat the history of the last century like that.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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Huawei is in large part built upon technology stolen from Cisco and Canada's Nortel Networks. In the latter case, there is strong evidence China was able to maintain access to Nortel's internal networks for over a decade (!!) which helped kill the 117 year old company. [1] The government of China is systematically hacking corporations through the Ministry of State Security, and attempting to the switch the allegiance…

Aren't certain Chinese people in China relatively open about this on a high level? I mean, to me it always sounded as non-believable but there have been some places (documentaries or texts) where a Chinese person would say that the goal of China is to get Chinese people in high places all over the world in a 200+ year time span and then rule it.

As I said, I never took it seriously. But maybe people should look into claims like that?

Unfortunately, I can't find a source for this because it didn't happen that often and I'm not that politically minded.

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