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Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Americans might think of East Asians as their slaves, but experience has showed that even the vassals of the US are generally not as hard as the Americans/Europeans would like. This is but a reprisal of the old colonizers running around wrecking Asia to their will; I wonder if India will serve its old role of being the mercenary for destroying Asia again.

Hmm, what have we Indians ever destroyed?

Tourists' stomachs with (some of) your foods, allegedly!

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When this is all over, I hope every county tallies the bill for the virus and subtracts that from their debt to China. They lied, hid information, and told us to keep travel open while simultaneously welding people inside their homes. It's worse than negligent, and they should lose their investments overseas to repay the damage done. I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China.…

> I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China. I pay the administration no mind whatsoever. The way this has been handed by Trump is beyond incompetent. Placing the blame on China is an opinion I reached entirely on my own while the president was still out golfing. I'm speaking out because I want our leadership to take action. I'll be asking my representatives to stick China with…

It doesn't matter if you got it from Trump or not, my points regarding the idea that somehow "China" is at fault still stands.

With sufficient preparation and action the effects could have been mitigated. Other countries like Taiwan, Singapore, and Hong Kong have shown this to be possible (granted they are smaller, but also arguably at higher risk due to their trade with China and also much much denser than the USA).

But probably the most important reasons why you cannot blame China is that

1) the virus cannot be contained, even if you tried (or Europe, or any of the hundreds of countries it spread to are just as easily culpable for not containing especially since Trump banned China travel early on)

2) the virus just happened to have mutated from an animal in China and it just happened to have been highly contagious. This was just bad luck on China's part. You can also read Bill Gates' explanation for WHY in this video of the reddit posts from him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwmLbhA8Kyw

Basically, these viruses are very common and in the past the US/Mexico was responsible for H1N1 (Swine Flu)... except in this case we all just got unlucky and this one has a long incubation period, high transmissibility, mild symptoms (leading to hubris from infected people) and a total lack of global preparation.

I understand you are angry and have family members at risk, but that doesn't excuse you from prejudicial blame that will burden the people of a country of billions of people for something they did not have control over and were not responsible for. And it also will not save your family members and is wholly unproductive (as is all mis-assigned blame). The severity of the virus at this point has little to do with the virus itself and more to do with our total lack of preparation, lack of action because a) "trusting China" is not a valid excuse, as we've never done so in the past, and b) China reported the virus well in advance, not to mention the epidemic spread wildly in South Korea and Europe well before it was noticed in the USA.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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So the US preaches nationalism, protectionism, and isolationism except when it's not in their own interest? Edit: My point (which probably wasn't clear) was that if you run an "America First" agenda. Don't be surprised when your allies start prioritizing their own interest above mutual interests.

Um, yes?! Is that surprising?

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #24

How is it that the west allowed Huawei to gain such a lead in 5G? If this has national security implications, why didn't the US support its domestic telecom firms?

The US hasn't had domestic telecom infrastructure firms for many years. We rely on Nokia and Ericsson, and both have failed to compete with Huawei.

What about Qualcomm, Motorola, Intel?

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

The average reader of HN would rather have their data shared with the US, then with China.

Not many good things have come out of China privacy related. It's against what a lot of readers here value in our "digital Life".

Who here truelly believes the "0" Covid case numbers that China is publishing? :)

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #22

>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

> Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Yes, it's a national security issue. The rest of your post is nonsense as well. And by the way, you forgot to mention that "a chinese CFO" is related to the president of Huawei, a member of the PLA. You can always spot the Huawei apologists because they never seem to mention the PLA connection.

> a member of the PLA

If China were to ban retired US army officers from running companies, I think a double digit of American tech companies should start thinking of liquidation

Moreover, Chinese military is in remarkably bad relationship with the party at large after, if you didn't know.

Even a flag rising ceremony in Beijing was done not by military, but police up until recently

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #4

What are the British thinking? Do they think they'll get a better deal from China than the US? Or is their intention to use this as a bargaining chip against the US?

UK banned Huawei from all critical parts of their network, all sensitive locations (factories, military, energy, etc), as well as restricted market share to 30% elsewhere. They also officially labeled Huawei as the only provider that is a threat to national security. Even Beijing slammed their decision. Trump wanted to have the complete ban to go even further, but that wouldn't bring any practical value to the UK given the limitations they did impose.

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think you're being generous to the administration for assigning blame to China. I pay the administration no mind whatsoever. The way this has been handed by Trump is beyond incompetent. Placing the blame on China is an opinion I reached entirely on my own while the president was still out golfing. I'm speaking out because I want our leadership to take action. I'll be asking my representatives to stick China with…

China looks to be bouncing back ... how bad has COVID affected their economy vs. all other economies? Is COVID going to help them in the global economy? If so, I wouldn't put it past China as unleashing this virus on the world purposely. Before COVID China had SARS. Why are these virus all coming from there?

Viruses can mutate and come from anywhere. Granted that animal market probably was not very hygienic, H1N1, Spanish Flu (which did not originate from Spain), pox viruses, mad cow, all did not originate from China. You're probably holding this opinion because those are the freshest in your mind?

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #22

>...the goal of American policy on Huawei is less about security and more about market share – and making sure America, not China, owns the future of 5G. Bingo. Most HN readers saw this for exactly what it was. Most of the premise for the arrest of Meng Wanzhou was comical at best. 30 years of US companies ignoring ITAR with at most a small fine, only to suddenly watch the US issue an extradition warrant for a chines…

My personal take is: Huawei belongs to CCP. Korean and US companies do not belong to their governments.

This should be an issue by default, in my opinion. That said it's not why I distrust Huawei (not that I trust Google, Cisco, Qualcomm all that much more - but I give them more benefit of the doubt). I don't even care about ATT because if you trust your carrier you're already toast, and I do not know any carrier that I respect as a company (despite them having great employees).

Here's why I distrust Huawei and similar companies:

From my 20y incident response experience in the field at very large companies, we've never caught the NSA or similar US agencies. Either because they're too good, we're unlucky, they're too bad at it, or because they don't actually need to, or do not backdoor. Who knows.

What does bother me is that we caught other countries several times, sometimes using terribly bad tactics (where the defense was bad for various reasons that are usually also bad) and sometimes using relatively novel stuff that we'd never see before.

Thankfully you do not have to trust me, ask any security engineer at any big company (amazon, fb, uber, google, lockheed, etc.). They'll either say they're not allowed to speak about it or give you an answer that's similar to the above (or break their NDAs, alternatively, I guess?!)

Re: Huawei is dividing Western nations

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US hasn't had domestic telecom infrastructure firms for many years. We rely on Nokia and Ericsson, and both have failed to compete with Huawei.

What about Qualcomm, Motorola, Intel?

When it comes to building the mobile network itself, none of the companies you mention have any footprint in that space. It's really the 3 (Nokia, Ericsson and Huawei) along with some less prominent players (Samsung, ZTE etc). The vast majority of networks are using the big 3.
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