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Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Barrin92 wrote: post #64
strictnein wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US is currently testing ~100k people each day: https://covidtracking.com/us-daily/ The failure at the beginning was not to have capacity ready. The huge US medical system and its very, very large medical industry has finally gotten pointed in the right direction in regards to testing.

The testing capacity is good now but the response to the actual pandemic is a disaster. If you have the president talk about packed churches on Easter you can soon save yourself the testing because it's going to be hard to find someone who isn't infected

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Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by Rapzid »

yurlungur wrote: post #22
ridewinter wrote: post #4

Not too long ago a headline like this would be absolutely massive news. Now it barely even registers. Crazy times...

I wonder if this pandemic will have long lasting effects on international travel. It seems possible that going into the future stricter health screening may become routine and certain travel restrictions may stay in place for a prolonged period of time. Same goes for certain other measures I guess.

Yes. With the 15 minute test and this being a major issues for years sans a vaccine? I imagine there will be LOTS of testing going on related to travel, work, and all sorts of things.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by 2019-nCoV »

ojbyrne wrote: post #56
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #47

Japan has had a low infection rate because of their strong mask-wearing culture. Western countries are experiencing higher rates of COVID-19 infections compared to Asian countries because of the West's aversion to wearing masks. Please help me spread this message http://www.maskssavelives.org/

It seems more likely at this point that they have a low infection rate because they aren’t testing.

Their positivity rate (5.1%) suggests otherwise.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by jdkee »

strictnein wrote: post #61
vkou wrote: post #20

My only question is: "Why hasn't the world done this two weeks ago?" The US is failing to test on a massive scale, and the outbreak has been growing exponentially, week after week. Control measures are being taken, but on an inconsistent, fragmented basis.

The US is currently testing ~100k people each day: https://covidtracking.com/us-daily/ The failure at the beginning was not to have capacity ready. The huge US medical system and its very, very large medical industry has finally gotten pointed in the right direction in regards to testing.

I was tested this past Thursday and came back negative yesterday. Two weeks ago I was exhibiting the classic symptoms. Last week I had five days of noticeable shortness of breath, lethargy, sinus infection and a dry cough. I wanted to get tested a week ago this past Monday but did not meet the criteria. Now I am awaiting the availability of serological tests to see if I have the antibodies. I pulled the kids out of school on March 10th, ahead of our local district closing on March 13, and we have been self-quarantined since then. If I had the virus, the recent testing would likely not measure me as a positive case due to low viral expression.

The fact that the U.S. did not have widespread surveillance testing since mid-January is criminally inept. China bought us eight weeks of ramp-up time which was bungled by our Executive branch who was more worried about the economy and stock market reaction than people's lives.

Historically, this will likely go down as the largest failure of public health management in U.S. since our founding. After this passes, there needs to be large scale accountability for the CDC, FDA and the Executive branch that has brought us to the collapse of public health which will likely cost millions of U.S. lives.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by artificial »

penagwin wrote: post #36
yurlungur wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this pandemic will have long lasting effects on international travel. It seems possible that going into the future stricter health screening may become routine and certain travel restrictions may stay in place for a prolonged period of time. Same goes for certain other measures I guess.

As a potential counter point - pandemics are generally rare. And are hard to test at airports for until it's too late. Also you can't test for every disease, especially new ones. The best you could do is a several week quarantine on all incoming travelers I would think?

Do you think it's going to be viable moving forward to quarantine as standard operating procedure?

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by verroq »

brigandish wrote: post #60
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #47

Japan has had a low infection rate because of their strong mask-wearing culture. Western countries are experiencing higher rates of COVID-19 infections compared to Asian countries because of the West's aversion to wearing masks. Please help me spread this message http://www.maskssavelives.org/

I don't know how many times this is going to come up on these page but this is unsupported by any study for the kind of masks people actually wear and for a non-clinical setting, and anyone who has spent any time here will know it's rubbish. Just last night my wife was telling me about a conversation with her work colleagues about masks. She wears one per day, one to work and the same one for the way home - this is a…

It's obvious that wearing a mask helps.

> Don't wear a mask because they don't work

> Doctors and nurses need masks because they work

> ???

If anything, it prevents/reduces asymptomatic people from spreading.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by cm2187 »

gruez wrote: post #27
whymauri wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. A Taiwanese friend was in a similar situation w.r.t. Taiwan closing borders. Uncertainty of timeline and parameters can be incredibly disruptive for citizens trying to travel back to their home country. They might not have permanent lodging in the U.S…

>That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. Why not ban foreigners immediately, then ban nationals a few days later?

Well at the very least you would leave 24h to account for people that are in a flight on their way to Japan or in a connection.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by Jommi »

brigandish wrote: post #53

This would've been a good idea before Chinese New Year for those coming from China but the Japanese government, in its infinite wisdom, didn't want to miss out on the money all those tourists bring. At least they've done well suppressing the true number of cases until the Olympics was cancelled. Even if it should've been bloody obvious they have been lying, most of the rest of the world - as per usual - decided that…

Any sources/links indicating that the numbers are VASTLY different than communicated on the news?

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by CivBase »

Okay... but why specifically the United States? Shouldn't they ban entry from just about every nation right now? Did the article just fail to mention existing travel bans for other nations?

The US has a very high number of confirmed cases, but it still pales in comparison to many other nations in terms of percent of population. Banning international travel is a reasonable precaution, but why specifically the US?

I can't help but feel like many politicians around the globe have been focusing more on political chess first and the wellbeing of their citizens second.

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