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Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by strictnein »

vkou wrote: post #20

My only question is: "Why hasn't the world done this two weeks ago?" The US is failing to test on a massive scale, and the outbreak has been growing exponentially, week after week. Control measures are being taken, but on an inconsistent, fragmented basis.

The US is currently testing ~100k people each day:

https://covidtracking.com/us-daily/

The failure at the beginning was not to have capacity ready. The huge US medical system and its very, very large medical industry has finally gotten pointed in the right direction in regards to testing.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by smnrchrds »

gruez wrote: post #27
whymauri wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. A Taiwanese friend was in a similar situation w.r.t. Taiwan closing borders. Uncertainty of timeline and parameters can be incredibly disruptive for citizens trying to travel back to their home country. They might not have permanent lodging in the U.S…

>That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. Why not ban foreigners immediately, then ban nationals a few days later?

Can they ban Japanese citizens from entering the country? It would be against Charter rights (what people in the US may call constitutional rights) here in Canada. I would be surprised if it would be different in Japan.

Regardless, if they ban foreigners, it may become a moot point. With not enough people travelling to and from, flights get cancelled and people get stranded, unless the government provides evacuation flights.

EDIT: This was the gist of Canada's plea that everyone gets back home while they can.

> Airlines have cancelled flights. New restrictions may be imposed with little warning. Your travel plans may be severely disrupted and you may be forced to remain outside of Canada longer than expected...We recommend that Canadian travellers return to Canada via commercial means while they remain available.

https://twitter.com/FP_Champagne/status/1238876190460477442

https://globalnews.ca/news/6677983/coronavirus-canada-travel...

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by Barrin92 »

gruez wrote: post #27
whymauri wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. A Taiwanese friend was in a similar situation w.r.t. Taiwan closing borders. Uncertainty of timeline and parameters can be incredibly disruptive for citizens trying to travel back to their home country. They might not have permanent lodging in the U.S…

>That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. Why not ban foreigners immediately, then ban nationals a few days later?

because some people hold dual citizenship or are married / have family in both countries in which case you'd probably not want to separate them.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by Barrin92 »

strictnein wrote: post #61
vkou wrote: post #20

My only question is: "Why hasn't the world done this two weeks ago?" The US is failing to test on a massive scale, and the outbreak has been growing exponentially, week after week. Control measures are being taken, but on an inconsistent, fragmented basis.

The US is currently testing ~100k people each day: https://covidtracking.com/us-daily/ The failure at the beginning was not to have capacity ready. The huge US medical system and its very, very large medical industry has finally gotten pointed in the right direction in regards to testing.

The testing capacity is good now but the response to the actual pandemic is a disaster. If you have the president talk about packed churches on Easter you can soon save yourself the testing because it's going to be hard to find someone who isn't infected

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by briandear »

joshgachnang wrote: post #45
gruez wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. Why not ban foreigners immediately, then ban nationals a few days later?

There's still some groups of people you'd want to let in. For example, someone married to or in a long term relationship with a national who is outside the country right now. Or even foreigners that live there but are nationals yet.

Does the virus care about those groups? Either close the border or don’t. A family member can carry the virus end just as easily as a tourist. If the reasons for closing it are to prevent the spread, then having a bunch or exceptions defeats the purpose.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by brigandish »

tinyhouse wrote: post #11

I would think the only people traveling to Japan these days are Japanese people. I wonder if the ban would also include people with Japanese passports.

I was due to fly to and from the UK in April with a ticket purchased months ago, I won't have been the only one.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by arcturus17 »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #47

Japan has had a low infection rate because of their strong mask-wearing culture. Western countries are experiencing higher rates of COVID-19 infections compared to Asian countries because of the West's aversion to wearing masks. Please help me spread this message http://www.maskssavelives.org/

Countries without "mask-wearing cultures" like Switzerland or Germany are doing exceptionally well compared to others in Europe.

But above all, there's no scientific basis to what you're saying.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by guacamole4 »

fasteddie31003 wrote: post #47

Japan has had a low infection rate because of their strong mask-wearing culture. Western countries are experiencing higher rates of COVID-19 infections compared to Asian countries because of the West's aversion to wearing masks. Please help me spread this message http://www.maskssavelives.org/

Do you have a scientific or official source for this?

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by kevinpet »

brigandish wrote: post #60
fasteddie31003 wrote: post #47

Japan has had a low infection rate because of their strong mask-wearing culture. Western countries are experiencing higher rates of COVID-19 infections compared to Asian countries because of the West's aversion to wearing masks. Please help me spread this message http://www.maskssavelives.org/

I don't know how many times this is going to come up on these page but this is unsupported by any study for the kind of masks people actually wear and for a non-clinical setting, and anyone who has spent any time here will know it's rubbish. Just last night my wife was telling me about a conversation with her work colleagues about masks. She wears one per day, one to work and the same one for the way home - this is a…

If you claim "these specific details aren't supported by studies" that's compelling evidence if studies have been done, or would have a reason to be done, or if there's reason to believe the other studies that support similar conclusion are sufficiently different to not be relevant.
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