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Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by roenxi »

mschuster91 wrote: post #32
yurlungur wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if this pandemic will have long lasting effects on international travel. It seems possible that going into the future stricter health screening may become routine and certain travel restrictions may stay in place for a prolonged period of time. Same goes for certain other measures I guess.

Not that long lasting, at least for country/continental blocks. As soon as vaccines are widely available, I'd expect that the only thing that remains from the corona crisis is a visa/immigration requirement of proof of vaccination/immunity.

A basic rule-of-thumb is this is a 1 in 100 year event; because the last time something comparable happened was the Spanish Flu.

However, a hypothesis that international travel is the major enabler reduces this to more of a 1 in 20 year event (SARS, MERS, Ebola, etc, etc all were near misses that were a little less slippery). Swine flu was also pretty bad.

We might be able to afford this once a century. We can't afford to do this once every 20 years. It is quite possible that it makes economic sense to permanently cripple international travel by introducing mandatory 2-week quarantines on arrival or somesuch.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by donw »

gruez wrote: post #27
whymauri wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. A Taiwanese friend was in a similar situation w.r.t. Taiwan closing borders. Uncertainty of timeline and parameters can be incredibly disruptive for citizens trying to travel back to their home country. They might not have permanent lodging in the U.S…

>That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. Why not ban foreigners immediately, then ban nationals a few days later?

Because some of us foreigners live here.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by dredmorbius »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #5

With all these provisions: if you've decided it would be a good idea to do, why not do it now? If it's a good idea now, it's going to be twice as good of an idea in three days. And it's going to be four times as good of an idea in six. Etc. Over and over again the organs of governments announce decisions that would be a good idea today that don't come into effect until a few days from now. Which means that the harm d…

Announcing a blockade with aircraft in flight could easily make things far worse.

Travellers, and carriers, now have at least a couple of days to change plans.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by swixmix »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #24

Anyone know what Japan's policy is regarding U.S. military service members stationed / on shore leave in Japan? That seems like a potentially serious back door for covid-19 spread. Especially given the tight quarters on naval vessels.

"Pacific Fleet orders 14-day gap between port visits for 7th Fleet ships during coronavirus outbreak" [1]

See PDF file titled "CNFJ Liberty Restrictions effective March 25, 2020". Looks like liberty is limited to on-base. [2]

[1]: https://www.stripes.com/news/pacific/pacific-fleet-orders-14...

[2]: https://www.cnic.navy.mil/regions/cnrj.html/

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by joshgachnang »

gruez wrote: post #27
whymauri wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. A Taiwanese friend was in a similar situation w.r.t. Taiwan closing borders. Uncertainty of timeline and parameters can be incredibly disruptive for citizens trying to travel back to their home country. They might not have permanent lodging in the U.S…

>That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. Why not ban foreigners immediately, then ban nationals a few days later?

There's still some groups of people you'd want to let in. For example, someone married to or in a long term relationship with a national who is outside the country right now. Or even foreigners that live there but are nationals yet.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

whymauri wrote: post #8
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #5

With all these provisions: if you've decided it would be a good idea to do, why not do it now? If it's a good idea now, it's going to be twice as good of an idea in three days. And it's going to be four times as good of an idea in six. Etc. Over and over again the organs of governments announce decisions that would be a good idea today that don't come into effect until a few days from now. Which means that the harm d…

>The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. A Taiwanese friend was in a similar situation w.r.t. Taiwan closing borders. Uncertainty of timeline and parameters can be incredibly disruptive for citizens trying to travel back to their home country. They might not have permanent lodging in the U.S…

I missed that bit in the announcement. Thanks for calling it out!

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by fasteddie31003 »

Japan has had a low infection rate because of their strong mask-wearing culture. Western countries are experiencing higher rates of COVID-19 infections compared to Asian countries because of the West's aversion to wearing masks. Please help me spread this message http://www.maskssavelives.org/

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by grej »

vkou wrote: post #20

My only question is: "Why hasn't the world done this two weeks ago?" The US is failing to test on a massive scale, and the outbreak has been growing exponentially, week after week. Control measures are being taken, but on an inconsistent, fragmented basis.

Every good idea should have been done before it was done. Better late than never. At least testing has ramped up in the US considerably now.

As someone in the US, I wish we would implement a lot more in the way of domestic travel restrictions right now. If we’re not willing to do that, then who can blame other countries for restricting us?

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

2019-nCoV wrote: post #35
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #5

With all these provisions: if you've decided it would be a good idea to do, why not do it now? If it's a good idea now, it's going to be twice as good of an idea in three days. And it's going to be four times as good of an idea in six. Etc. Over and over again the organs of governments announce decisions that would be a good idea today that don't come into effect until a few days from now. Which means that the harm d…

> Unless they are magically different from every other country Maybe being a conscientious nation-state, with a culture that prioritises the collective, cleanliness and mask usage, is close enough to magic.

Maybe, but SK, Taiwan, and Singapore all are as well and it wasn't enough in any of those countries. Widespread testing, border closing, and, at least in the case of SK, some measure of lockdown were also required.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by asdfasgasdgasdg »

billfruit wrote: post #40
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #5

With all these provisions: if you've decided it would be a good idea to do, why not do it now? If it's a good idea now, it's going to be twice as good of an idea in three days. And it's going to be four times as good of an idea in six. Etc. Over and over again the organs of governments announce decisions that would be a good idea today that don't come into effect until a few days from now. Which means that the harm d…

Some time ought to be given to people have a chance to get "home" before they close entry. Some countries have closed borders rather abruptly that thousands were stuck in transit.

It seems like you could close the border except to those returning home. It doesn't seem like a delay of implementation is required to accomplish repatriation.
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