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Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by maxander »

nopinsight wrote: post #6

Reconsidered my opinion: I agree with a reply below. The primary determiner of how well a place responds to Covid seems to be their experience with SARS, and possibly other infectious respiratory diseases like TB.

People are probably downvoting you because it's generally frowned upon to make baseless "just-so" claims, especially in something as difficult to make credible claims in as geopolitics, and especially when it asserts the superiority of some groups over others (or appears to.)

That all being said, there have been studies of how "meritocratic" different societies are (albeit I don't know how that is operationalized) and there will be very quantitative measures of how well each country weathers the pandemic; someone could certainly (when the data is in) check to see how those features tend to relate.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by yurlungur »

ridewinter wrote: post #4

Not too long ago a headline like this would be absolutely massive news. Now it barely even registers. Crazy times...

I wonder if this pandemic will have long lasting effects on international travel. It seems possible that going into the future stricter health screening may become routine and certain travel restrictions may stay in place for a prolonged period of time. Same goes for certain other measures I guess.

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Post by wonnage »

nopinsight wrote: post #6

Reconsidered my opinion: I agree with a reply below. The primary determiner of how well a place responds to Covid seems to be their experience with SARS, and possibly other infectious respiratory diseases like TB.

I'm not sure how you came up with this, Singapore and Hong Kong meritocratic? They're both oligarchies where all the land and influence in the city is owned by a few powerful families. Also the fact that excluding Vietnam all of these countries are either islands or have a single land border (don't think a lot of people are coming into South Korea from North Korea?) probably makes controlling the disease a lot easier.

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Post by robbseaton »

nopinsight wrote: post #6

Reconsidered my opinion: I agree with a reply below. The primary determiner of how well a place responds to Covid seems to be their experience with SARS, and possibly other infectious respiratory diseases like TB.

Previous experience with SARS is a better candidate for "primary determiner."

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by kiba »

bibabaloo wrote: post #14
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #5

With all these provisions: if you've decided it would be a good idea to do, why not do it now? If it's a good idea now, it's going to be twice as good of an idea in three days. And it's going to be four times as good of an idea in six. Etc. Over and over again the organs of governments announce decisions that would be a good idea today that don't come into effect until a few days from now. Which means that the harm d…

> why not do it now? I'm guessing to give people time to alter their plans etc. > Unless they are magically different from every other country They seem to be! Nobody really knows why, but even if their testing is inadequate you'd still expect to be seeing a lot more deaths if the virus was rapidly spreading. More info: https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/03/20/national/corona...

That's a week old story. Now it seemed to be not the case.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by gruez »

whymauri wrote: post #8
asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #5

With all these provisions: if you've decided it would be a good idea to do, why not do it now? If it's a good idea now, it's going to be twice as good of an idea in three days. And it's going to be four times as good of an idea in six. Etc. Over and over again the organs of governments announce decisions that would be a good idea today that don't come into effect until a few days from now. Which means that the harm d…

>The restriction applies even to Japanese nationals returning from the United States. That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals. A Taiwanese friend was in a similar situation w.r.t. Taiwan closing borders. Uncertainty of timeline and parameters can be incredibly disruptive for citizens trying to travel back to their home country. They might not have permanent lodging in the U.S…

>That's probably the answer. Some amount of heads-up is owed to Japanese nationals.

Why not ban foreigners immediately, then ban nationals a few days later?

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Post by fireattack »

nopinsight wrote: post #6

Reconsidered my opinion: I agree with a reply below. The primary determiner of how well a place responds to Covid seems to be their experience with SARS, and possibly other infectious respiratory diseases like TB.

How do you even define "best people"? Any how exactly are these people "rise to the top" for the leaders to follow in these countries? Some more details examples would be helpful.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by standardUser »

yalogin wrote: post #18

Doesn’t logic dictate that all international travel time and from all countries be stopped for a few months?

Even for foreign nationals and those with a legal right to residency? Many nations have thousands and thousands of citizens spread all throughout the world for all kinds of different reasons. Some are on humanitarian missions, some are journalists, some have families abroad. Should they be denied a right to return to their legal country of citizenship, even if they submit to quarantine measurers? A comprehensive ban on international travel is perhaps more aggressive of a measure than it seems on its face.

Re: Japan set to ban entry from the U.S. as early as next week

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Post by DoofusOfDeath »

yalogin wrote: post #18

Doesn’t logic dictate that all international travel time and from all countries be stopped for a few months?

One improvement over a full travel ban would be mandatory government-run 2-week(?) quarantine every time someone arrives from abroad.
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