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Re: Programming Models for Distributed Computation

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Post by dang »

peatfreak wrote: post #6

This is going to sound snobby to some people but I don't care. I really believe this. The whole book is written in Markdown. This is a huge red flag for me and the book goes in to the "no" pile pretty much immediately. Distributed computation is a complex and complicated discipline. Moreover if you're going to write a book and you don't even realize that Markdown is completely inappropriate it calls in to question yo…

"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Programming Models for Distributed Computation

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Post by dang »

throwqwerty wrote: post #10
bruth wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does writing in Markdown have to do with the complexity of the topic? Heather Miller is an assistant professor at CMU and well respected and certainly an expert in this context. Clearly she believed Markdown was sufficient for her purpose and/or wanted to leverage the other benefits beyond just its simplicity. Did you see that book is being rendered on a site? http://dist-prog-book.com/chapter/2/futures.html

>What does writing in Markdown have to do with the complexity of the topic? nothing. the person you're responding to just wants to feel very good about themselves without actually engaging with the material.

Reacting to a bad comment with an even worse comment is not ok here. It's against the site guidelines, and you've been doing it a lot. We've had to ban you before for that, so would you please stop?

If you're posting to HN, you're responsible for helping to take care of this place, to the best of your ability and awareness. If others are wrong, correct them respectfully. If they are ignorant, teach them. If you know more, share some of what you know so the rest of us can learn. Tearing others down helps no one, and worsens the very things you're complaining about.

I'm sure you wouldn't litter in a city park just because others do, nor would you fail to put out a campfire just because you were mad at other campers. Please bring those values here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Programming Models for Distributed Computation

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Post by dang »

justicezyx wrote: post #2

The content seems shallow, the topic is extremely broad. Overall I do not feel this topic can be described really well.

"Please don't post shallow dismissals, especially of other people's work. A good critical comment teaches us something."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Programming Models for Distributed Computation

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Post by throwqwerty »

dang wrote: post #22
throwqwerty wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What does writing in Markdown have to do with the complexity of the topic? nothing. the person you're responding to just wants to feel very good about themselves without actually engaging with the material.

Reacting to a bad comment with an even worse comment is not ok here. It's against the site guidelines, and you've been doing it a lot. We've had to ban you before for that, so would you please stop? If you're posting to HN, you're responsible for helping to take care of this place, to the best of your ability and awareness. If others are wrong, correct them respectfully. If they are ignorant, teach them. If you know…

>We've had to ban you before for that, so would you please stop?

you seem to be oblivious to the fact that i don't care (hence the throwaway).

Re: Programming Models for Distributed Computation

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Post by dang »

throwqwerty wrote: post #24
dang wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reacting to a bad comment with an even worse comment is not ok here. It's against the site guidelines, and you've been doing it a lot. We've had to ban you before for that, so would you please stop? If you're posting to HN, you're responsible for helping to take care of this place, to the best of your ability and awareness. If others are wrong, correct them respectfully. If they are ignorant, teach them. If you know…

>We've had to ban you before for that, so would you please stop? you seem to be oblivious to the fact that i don't care (hence the throwaway).

I'm hoping to persuade you!

Re: Programming Models for Distributed Computation

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Post by throwqwerty »

dang wrote: post #20
throwqwerty wrote: post #9

lol hn never fails in it's shallow dismissal of an enormous amount of work: as of right now there's a comment on how this textbook is too shallow (I guess if it were a content marketing medium post it would be much better) and how it can't possibly be substantive because it's written in markdown . man what a bastion of intelligent discussion this place is.

Please don't make this place even worse by adding a supercilious dismissal to a shallow one. If you think it's possible for a large, public internet forum not to get a lot of ignorant or shitty comments, that's extremely mistaken. What's necessary is for people who know more to post better ones. Since you seem to know more, you should be helping with that, not adding to the bottom of the barrel by dumping on it. Ther…

>If you think it's possible for a large, public internet forum not to get a lot of ignorant or shitty comments

why is it that the tech subs at reddit don't have the same kind of policing you practice here and are just as productive? i wonder if it's because community policing is more effective than whatever brand of dictatorial policing you practice here hmmmmmm. the only difference between the moderation here and at reddit that i see is your self-importance and the effect it has on anyone who feels they're part of the same self-important rarefied club.

Re: Programming Models for Distributed Computation

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Post by throwqwerty »

dang wrote: post #25
throwqwerty wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>We've had to ban you before for that, so would you please stop? you seem to be oblivious to the fact that i don't care (hence the throwaway).

I'm hoping to persuade you!

>I'm hoping to persuade you!

you can't because i fundamentally disagree with you and i have zero incentive to abide

Re: Programming Models for Distributed Computation

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Post by dang »

throwqwerty wrote: post #26
dang wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't make this place even worse by adding a supercilious dismissal to a shallow one. If you think it's possible for a large, public internet forum not to get a lot of ignorant or shitty comments, that's extremely mistaken. What's necessary is for people who know more to post better ones. Since you seem to know more, you should be helping with that, not adding to the bottom of the barrel by dumping on it. Ther…

>If you think it's possible for a large, public internet forum not to get a lot of ignorant or shitty comments why is it that the tech subs at reddit don't have the same kind of policing you practice here and are just as productive? i wonder if it's because community policing is more effective than whatever brand of dictatorial policing you practice here hmmmmmm. the only difference between the moderation here and at…

Which subreddits are you referring to?

Re: Programming Models for Distributed Computation

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Post by throwqwerty »

dang wrote: post #29
throwqwerty wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>If you think it's possible for a large, public internet forum not to get a lot of ignorant or shitty comments why is it that the tech subs at reddit don't have the same kind of policing you practice here and are just as productive? i wonder if it's because community policing is more effective than whatever brand of dictatorial policing you practice here hmmmmmm. the only difference between the moderation here and at…

Which subreddits are you referring to?

r/programming, r/math, r/physics, r/compsci. All of them don't have nearly the strict moderation you practice here and all of them are great places to have substantive discussion.

I'm gonna repeat what I've said many times: by enforcing a strict decorum what you actually accomplish, and I mean exactly you dang, is give the air/pretense of intellectualism without any of the substance. Hence the constant barrage of hypercritical (but superficial) disparaging comments. It's like any other system that privileges one type of language - those that can deploy it effectivity feel empowered and emboldened because they feel they are the defacto ethical/just/concordant.

If you wanted proscribe things for the betterment of the community you should proscribe content (e.g. hate speech) rather than language.

edit:

this comment is the exemplar par excellence of what your rules produce:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17034295

for many hours it was the highest ranking comment on that post. it is pure invective cloaked in "constructive criticism". it took me pointing outing how absolutely rude it was for it to start bubbling down. i'm not a hero. i'm simply pointing out that it is absolutely necessary to point out when someone is being rude.

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