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Re: Private client-side-only PWAs are hard, but now Apple made them impossible

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Post by TheKarateKid » Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 4:07 AM UTC

tatersolid wrote: post #898

sixstringtheory wrote: post #783

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If an app on the app store abuses push notifications though, they can get kicked. Apple can’t kick a website off the web.

Technically they could blacklist certain behaviors from certain sites. They and all other major browsers already do this in a privacy-preserving way for Safe Browsing, certificate revocation, etc.

Blacklisting is a losing game, especially from the malicious sites most likely to abuse this. Notice how those malware and fake Chrome extension ads have a new URL every day.

Re: Private client-side-only PWAs are hard, but now Apple made them impossible

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Post by diggan » Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 9:43 AM UTC

b1tr0t wrote: post #911

diggan wrote: post #867

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I was thinking about a particular announcement where Mozilla announcing that they are working with Microsoft on MDN. Color me surprised when I discovered that also Google is mentioned there! Here is the announcement: https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/10/18/mozilla-brings-micr... Reading that announcement makes b1tr0t's statement "We've started to consolidate docs under web.dev" even worse, as they previously said th…

Our team actively contributes to MDN. Web.dev is not an MDN replacement, it's a channel for guides & other supporting documentation.

Just so understand correctly, you're contributing reference documentation to MDN but then everything else goes into web.dev? Why not contribute the "guides and other supporting documentation" to MDN as well?

As I understand, the Product Advisory Board for MDN was created with Mozilla + others in order to combat the fragmentation of information, but your actions seems to do the opposite.

Re: Private client-side-only PWAs are hard, but now Apple made them impossible

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Post by eyelidlessness » Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 2:43 PM UTC

f0rfun wrote: post #902

eyelidlessness wrote: post #676

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The deletion occurs if you use the app for seven days and don't visit the site. Pinned sites cannot meet those criteria and will not trigger deletion.

How about pinned sites that have not been accessed for > 7 days? I neither use the app nor visited the site for e.g. 2 weeks.. what will happen to e data for e pinned site? Apple is being vague here.

One of the criteria for deletion is accessing the app for 7 days. If you don't access the app for 7 days, it doesn't meet the criteria and won't trigger deletion. It's poorly worded, but it's not vague.

Re: Private client-side-only PWAs are hard, but now Apple made them impossible

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Post by Klasiaster » Sat, Mar 28, 2020, 2:51 PM UTC

I don't think this will help against tracking because a the tracker has no problem to refresh the identifier multiple times before the 7 day span would kick in.

Re: Private client-side-only PWAs are hard, but now Apple made them impossible

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Post by hoten » Wed, Apr 01, 2020, 6:28 PM UTC

40four wrote: post #770

hoten wrote: post #753

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All browsers on iOS are webkit (read: safari) under the hood. Firefox and Chrome are just skins.

Thanks for correcting my ignorance :) that makes more sense.

np! It's quite a frustrating state of things.

To be clear, only the rendering engine is fixed on iOS. Chrome, FF get some leeway to build other bits of the browser themselves on iOS, such as the netstack and the UI. But all new web features are limited to what webkit supports bc, well, it's webkit.

Re: Private client-side-only PWAs are hard, but now Apple made them impossible

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Post by NightlyDev » Thu, Apr 02, 2020, 12:20 AM UTC

sixstringtheory wrote: post #783

NightlyDev wrote: post #764

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By your logic they should just remove push notifications completely from iOS because it uses power. Wouldn't that be bad? Web push is better than native app push when it comes to power consumption as web push is stricter on what you can do.

If an app on the app store abuses push notifications though, they can get kicked. Apple can’t kick a website off the web.

Sure they can, Apple would still have full control over push functionality. Web or native doesn't matter.

Re: Private client-side-only PWAs are hard, but now Apple made them impossible

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Post by 72deluxe » Tue, Apr 07, 2020, 10:14 AM UTC

OzzyB wrote: post #850

72deluxe wrote: post #295

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My iPod Classic has no intranet or internet. What does the "i" mean in that case???

iPod was that Harddrive MP3 Player that piggybacked on the MP3 download craze people were doing on the internet , obviously.

Ha! Thanks!

I had never thought of that!! I wonder if that same idea came into naming the iMac then??