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Plus the experience of Electron apps is generally superior lately. Look and feel may not be as consistent as the ideal but it generally never was in the first place, even among native Cocoa apps. The web has won on desktop.
> Plus the experience of Electron apps is generally superior lately Uh, I'm going to hard disagree on that. They take longer to open, they're slower to use, they take up more battery, and they don't behave in a consistent way with the rest of the OS.
The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size?
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> Plus the experience of Electron apps is generally superior lately Uh, I'm going to hard disagree on that. They take longer to open, they're slower to use, they take up more battery, and they don't behave in a consistent way with the rest of the OS.
* I’m practically never so productive that I’m counting seconds for an app to open. * VS Code is just as quick to use as Xcode, actually more responsive in many actions, demonstrating effectively that it’s the algorithm which must change for a serious speed up * MBP batteries are laughable in the first place and they’re basically portable desktops that need to stay plugged in all the time * The rest of the OS hasn’t…
"Counting seconds" may mean little to you but by proxy you can look at conversion statistics for web stores vs response time and see a pretty clear correlation
VSCode's 'performance' is the result of an obscene amount of tuning the base framework, far more than most applications would need. Most other Electron apps do not see anywhere near this level of optimization (and they desperately need it).
MBP batteries on a new machine are respectable. Like all li-ion batteries they decay with use
Mac OS apps behave very consistently when they are native. True, Apple's user interface guidelines allow for pretty wide latitude in some areas (like skeumorphism) but all the basic OS/interaction contracts are intact. One can expect menus to behave the same way, file open/save dialogs to behave the same way, and so on.
Re: The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size?
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the difference between your hypothetical tweet and this article is that humble qualifier "I think". what I've seen hn (and startup culture in general) distort is people's confidence in their own opinions. this is probably because it is repeated ad nauseum that you cannot start a successful startup without being an iconoclastic innovator. what isn't repeated ad nauseum is that you should save that kind of arrogance fo…
One of the first things I learnt in English 101 is that "I think" is redundant. Your writing something automatically implies that it's what you think. Unless you explicitly say something is a "fact" or quote a 3rd party.
Re: The iOS and Mac markets are almost the same size?
#64Discoverability is horrible on the iOS App Store. I have looked for a good RSS reader on there in the past and only been served shovelware. I found out about NNW from DF the other day. Even after using and installing it, it is nowhere to be seen when I search for RSS. Apples broken App Store system surfaces cheap crappy apps. Apple wants users to make impulse purchases so they can skim 30% off the top. It’s a bad exp…
> Steve Jobs would be pissed Discoverability on the App Store has always been horrible. That, and App Store performance (search, page load, etc) are high on the list of things that baffle me most about Apple. These are not hard problems to fix. There is no incentive to not fix them. Customers are suffering. FTFAS.
I think there is an incentive not to. If you buy Apple hardware, you are stuck with these stores. They know you will complain but ultimately comply and accept.
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> Plus the experience of Electron apps is generally superior lately Uh, I'm going to hard disagree on that. They take longer to open, they're slower to use, they take up more battery, and they don't behave in a consistent way with the rest of the OS.
I think he meant the developer, not the user experience is better.
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* I’m practically never so productive that I’m counting seconds for an app to open. * VS Code is just as quick to use as Xcode, actually more responsive in many actions, demonstrating effectively that it’s the algorithm which must change for a serious speed up * MBP batteries are laughable in the first place and they’re basically portable desktops that need to stay plugged in all the time * The rest of the OS hasn’t…
> * MBP batteries are laughable in the first place and they’re basically portable desktops that need to stay plugged in all the time Probably because you’re using so many electron apps. This is not the case in lab testing by MacWorld, etc.
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* I’m practically never so productive that I’m counting seconds for an app to open. * VS Code is just as quick to use as Xcode, actually more responsive in many actions, demonstrating effectively that it’s the algorithm which must change for a serious speed up * MBP batteries are laughable in the first place and they’re basically portable desktops that need to stay plugged in all the time * The rest of the OS hasn’t…
Disagree on all points... "Counting seconds" may mean little to you but by proxy you can look at conversion statistics for web stores vs response time and see a pretty clear correlation VSCode's 'performance' is the result of an obscene amount of tuning the base framework, far more than most applications would need. Most other Electron apps do not see anywhere near this level of optimization (and they desperately nee…
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Pretty sure BBEdit has wider appeal than NetNewsWire. For one thing BBEdit is the only decent text editor on Mac App Store (not that it’s a high bar to clear).
I've switched to CotEditor for lightweight text editing.
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The Venn diagram of people who use BBedit and NetNewswire is roughly a circle.
What am I missing about BBEdit? I’ve tried to get into it a few times and it just seems archaic and weird and less capable vs even my emacs setup, let alone something like Visual Studio Code these days.
This is a frustratingly hard assertion to defend, at least in very short form, but I've been a technical writer for years now, mostly working in Markdown, and I keep coming back to BBEdit. It's not one huge thing that it does better for me than other editors, it's a collection of little things: every editor has some kind of "open file by name via fuzzy searching" command, for instance, but BBEdit lets me open multiple matching files at once. (Yes, this turns out to be immensely useful for me.) It keeps a search and replace history and lets me save patterns with a meaningful name. Its "multi-file search" window isn't as fast as some other editors, but it's insanely targetable, and again, lets me save my criteria with names (i.e., "All but JSON"). The "Process Duplicate Lines" command lets me easily find "duplicates" defined with a match pattern in a 75,000-line JSON file (don't ask). I can build complex operations up and save them as a text factory. I occasionally do operations with its "Shell Worksheet" capability, sort of a weirdo hybrid between a built-in terminal and a persistent text file. (I also like that every project gets its own persistent shell worksheet and persistent "scratch file," which you can set to be any language type.)
I've tried a lot of other editors over the years, including VS Code, and either they don't have features that I use in my technical writing or they don't, at least to me, implement them as well. And as lame as some people undoubtedly think "it works like a Mac app" is as a feature, well, it's actually kind of refreshing to have a full-featured text editor that does that BBEdit works like a Mac app. It seems almost quaint to have an actual preference window come up in a text editor when you select "Preferences..." these days, but it turns out they're actually really good at, you know, setting preferences. (Modifying keyboard shortcuts is so much nicer in BBEdit than in any other editor I've used.)
Again, for coding, BBEdit has fallen behind the times; the structure is there for it to mostly keep up, but the ecosystem just isn't there and, barring a strange resurgence, probably never will be. Personally, I use MacVim for coding bigger projects now -- although I'll generally use BBEdit for short shell or dynamic scripts if it already happens to be open. But for managing huge honking websites with thousands of Markdown source files -- or even just dozens -- I just haven't found anything that beats BBEdit.
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I think he meant the developer, not the user experience is better.
Really I was just thinking of VS Code and a vague memory of some other Electron apps I've used in the past, excepting one in particular which I will not name. But VS Code is just great.