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Re: Mystery in Wuhan: recovered coronavirus patients test negative then positive

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Post by gesticulator »

wwweston wrote: post #73
snapetom wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While social media has been more critical depending on the source, the mainstream media has definitely been carrying the water for China. https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/124324375891486310... I think it's been interesting wave. When the cases first started, China got blasted. As it hit the US, Administration political opponents have criticized the US response, but many have gone to the point of praising Chi…

If China did in fact ship emergency medical supplies to Italy, that's a gesture worth recognizing and praising. "Carrying water" is a weird way of characterizing that recognition. China also deserves criticism; its initial response was dysfunctional in some ways (albeit somewhat different ways than the United States dysfunctional response). Fortunately, as you say, it's been blasted in some discussion. But recognitio…

That tweet was referring to shipments from China to Italy, many of which were paid for and orders. Some were donated, but the articles present it as a grand gesture instead of Italy attempting to provision their own supplies on the market.

It’s a sad mix of propaganda and temporary faith in a shaky globally supply chain.

Re: Mystery in Wuhan: recovered coronavirus patients test negative then positive

#82

Post by snapetom »

wwweston wrote: post #73
snapetom wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While social media has been more critical depending on the source, the mainstream media has definitely been carrying the water for China. https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/124324375891486310... I think it's been interesting wave. When the cases first started, China got blasted. As it hit the US, Administration political opponents have criticized the US response, but many have gone to the point of praising Chi…

If China did in fact ship emergency medical supplies to Italy, that's a gesture worth recognizing and praising. "Carrying water" is a weird way of characterizing that recognition. China also deserves criticism; its initial response was dysfunctional in some ways (albeit somewhat different ways than the United States dysfunctional response). Fortunately, as you say, it's been blasted in some discussion. But recognitio…

That's beyond recognition in that article. They're calling Beijing a "global leader." A response of purposeful coverup and suppressing dissenters is in no way showing leadership.

Re: Mystery in Wuhan: recovered coronavirus patients test negative then positive

#83

Post by uncoder0 »

wwweston wrote: post #73
snapetom wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While social media has been more critical depending on the source, the mainstream media has definitely been carrying the water for China. https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/124324375891486310... I think it's been interesting wave. When the cases first started, China got blasted. As it hit the US, Administration political opponents have criticized the US response, but many have gone to the point of praising Chi…

If China did in fact ship emergency medical supplies to Italy, that's a gesture worth recognizing and praising. "Carrying water" is a weird way of characterizing that recognition. China also deserves criticism; its initial response was dysfunctional in some ways (albeit somewhat different ways than the United States dysfunctional response). Fortunately, as you say, it's been blasted in some discussion. But recognitio…

I've never seen the mainstream media question the veracity of the statistics about Covid that came out of China until the evidence is too obvious to ignore. There is plenty of proof that they regularly manipulate their statistics such as GDP.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-08/china-s-g...

https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/

etc

Why should any respectable journalist quote their statistics about COVID and conclude how effective their response was without mentioning that they've been known to fabricate statistics? Let alone calling them a 'Global Leader' in response. I've not seen this qualification mentioned once with respect to China's stats on this virus.

Re: Mystery in Wuhan: recovered coronavirus patients test negative then positive

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Post by scribu »

robocat wrote: post #71
rumanator wrote: post #63

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> I have seen realistic assessments of the ultimate effectiveness I'm afraid we only see the chinese government's report and data on how the epidemic is spreading within China.

I think China is mostly telling the truth. Firstly, exports are hard to lie about. Order something from alibaba yourself, or here’s some graphs: https://www.plex.com/blogs/china-potential-model-for-post-co... Secondly, Trump would break that news if it were fact. Hiding 10’s of thousands of deaths and 100’s of thousands of very ill is extremely difficult in the modern world when relatives live overseas. Thirdly, I be…

Whoever's downvoting this comment, how do you refute the point that export numbers are hard to fake? It would collusion from all of China and all of the importing countries.

Re: Mystery in Wuhan: recovered coronavirus patients test negative then positive

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Post by snapetom »

ajross wrote: post #79
snapetom wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While social media has been more critical depending on the source, the mainstream media has definitely been carrying the water for China. https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/124324375891486310... I think it's been interesting wave. When the cases first started, China got blasted. As it hit the US, Administration political opponents have criticized the US response, but many have gone to the point of praising Chi…

I don't read that tweet as praise for China at all, and I'm curious why you do. It seems pretty obviously a dig against the US administration that, when Italy needed help, we refused to provide it while China stepped up. It's an expression of shame at our national impotence. Now, I suspect you wouldn't agree with that perspective either. But it's definitely not praise for China. As far as the article to which it link…

You don't think calling China a "global leader" despite their awful initial actions is praising China?

Re: Mystery in Wuhan: recovered coronavirus patients test negative then positive

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Post by oefrha »

robocat wrote: post #74
grugagag wrote: post #65

Related: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-27/stacks-of... China is likely hiding the real numbers for unknown reasons

The “stacks of urns” can almost be answered by the quote from the article: “There were 56,007 cremations in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019”. (Edit: I shortened quote). After a month of lockdown, the number of backlogged urns should be over 18000.

(More than) two months of lockdown, not one. So ~38000 cremations “normally”. Spread out to eight funeral homes, you’d expect 4k-5k at each location. (Since people were allegedly locked into apartments or at least apartment complexes, apparently they weren’t picking up ashes until now.) So “thousands” at each location tells us precious nothing.

Article is intentionally misleading, burying the “normal” stats that way.

Re: Mystery in Wuhan: recovered coronavirus patients test negative then positive

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Post by DeonPenny »

samsonradu wrote: post #36
lopis wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

30% accurate? Does that mean it's better to believe the opposite of what the test says most of the time?

Then it would be 70% accurate

Agreed the worst test would be 50% accurate

Re: Mystery in Wuhan: recovered coronavirus patients test negative then positive

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Post by SuoDuanDao »

snapetom wrote: post #70
_ea1k wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand this. I haven't seen "praise"? I have seen realistic assessments of the ultimate effectiveness, but I see this as vastly different from "praise". I think the majority of people in the US that have observed how they handle it see their approach as overly harsh.

While social media has been more critical depending on the source, the mainstream media has definitely been carrying the water for China. https://twitter.com/KenDilanianNBC/status/124324375891486310... I think it's been interesting wave. When the cases first started, China got blasted. As it hit the US, Administration political opponents have criticized the US response, but many have gone to the point of praising Chi…

The mainstream media will carry water for anyone they compare to the Trump administration.

Re: Mystery in Wuhan: recovered coronavirus patients test negative then positive

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Post by snapetom »

uncoder0 wrote: post #83
wwweston wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If China did in fact ship emergency medical supplies to Italy, that's a gesture worth recognizing and praising. "Carrying water" is a weird way of characterizing that recognition. China also deserves criticism; its initial response was dysfunctional in some ways (albeit somewhat different ways than the United States dysfunctional response). Fortunately, as you say, it's been blasted in some discussion. But recognitio…

I've never seen the mainstream media question the veracity of the statistics about Covid that came out of China until the evidence is too obvious to ignore. There is plenty of proof that they regularly manipulate their statistics such as GDP. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-08/china-s-g... https://time.com/5811222/wuhan-coronavirus-death-toll/ etc Why should any respectable journalist quote their stat…

Side note, they absolutely manipulate their financial numbers. "No one believes China's numbers," my financial broker uncle in Hong Kong once said.

No one really cared that much because manipulation, risk, and uncertainty is baked into financial equations no matter what the country or government. Now that we're talking about lives, it's harder to dismiss.

Re: Mystery in Wuhan: recovered coronavirus patients test negative then positive

#90

Post by ajross »

snapetom wrote: post #85
ajross wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't read that tweet as praise for China at all, and I'm curious why you do. It seems pretty obviously a dig against the US administration that, when Italy needed help, we refused to provide it while China stepped up. It's an expression of shame at our national impotence. Now, I suspect you wouldn't agree with that perspective either. But it's definitely not praise for China. As far as the article to which it link…

You don't think calling China a "global leader" despite their awful initial actions is praising China?

Not in the context presented, no. The article isn't talking about their "initial actions", it's talking about their international assistance work. China is absolutely a global leader in providing humanitarian assistance to other nations struct by COVID-19. In fact they're pretty much the only nation doing anything like this, at all.

And historically, that was always one of the core roles played by America. So in perspective it's sort of notable, no?

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