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>> Everyone gets their flu shot, right? No, and that's ok. There is a lot of stuff written - even in science papers - that indicate differing things about those vaccines effectiveness. There is no universal "right" answer to your question. I'm assuming you thought it was rhetorical.
Can you provide a source of these "science papers"? Please only provide the peer reviewed repeated studies, not those agenda driven ones.
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not sure why you get the downvotes. this is really good and extremely actionable
There have been a few people following me around and harassing me. I'm not a doctor. Much of what I know about managing serious lung issues is because I have serious lung issues. That is being used as an excuse to say I have no right to talk about what I know because it's medical in nature and I don't have a medical degree. I'm also a woman and that often goes weird places in online discussions. People have different…
Wow, they followed you all the way down this thread to downvote it. Some weird, obsessive people.
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No doubt, but we need more than just epidemiologists to project how complex changes in the world economy will affect suicide. For example, how can the various interventions possible by the US Fed affect the economic well-being of the poor? Etc. We need all of our experts on this, including the political ones, who have a good sense of what will fly and what won't. No doubt social security (Social Security?) does affec…
In principle that makes perfect sense. And it is important to note that there is another choice other than the two we are given: the one the Europeans have chosen: employee protection/compensation along with any corporate bailouts. If for political reasons we refuse the European approach then the concern is not that fatality counts and epidemiologist will be balanced by economist but that epidemiologist and economist…
I do think that employees should be taken care of. I have no idea of the best way to do that. It sounds like a job for economists and politicians.
Re the ventilators, the most obvious standard would be not the F-35 cost, but rather what we pay to support a statistical life under other circumstances (e.g., medicaid, EMS services, etc.) No idea what the right balance is, but we don't want people to needlessly die because we overshot on the ventilators.
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The only thing untrue is that we'd officially call them something else. You don't have "death panels" if you call them "community wellness committees". There is no economy anywhere in the world that can support an infinite demand for healthcare. We keep inventing new healthcare too, so it only gets worse. There will be limits to healthcare, though we can lie to ourselves about that. If we don't place a price on life,…
But by that logic all private healthcare providers like in the US are death panels? The rest of your comment was a wild ride. You're inventing a fictional socialised healthcare system (overwhelmed, hopelessly overbudget and reliant on political connections for treatment) and then declaring that some fictional market is better. But we don't need to invent fictional systems to compare and see whether this is true - bot…
Private healthcare providers in the USA are not like that. The hospitals are normally glad to accept your money in exchange for treatment. You can go elsewhere if you wish. If your insurance company denies payment, you can find some other way to pay.
Canada prohibits the existence of private healthcare providers. The only reason people aren't condemned to die on waiting lists is that nearly all Canadians can easily travel to the USA when they are desperate for treatment. Canada saves money because people are using their own funds to purchase treatment in the USA.
The UK will actually prohibit people from seeking care in other countries. I guess it would be an embarrassment if you got care elsewhere, so instead you must die.
There, that's two developed countries. I don't wish to research every damn country in the world, and you said "free to pick any developed country to compare to - it won't matter". I picked them because they are English-speaking and relatively large.
I'm not interested in generic "better outcomes and lower expenditures". That just means that everybody gets substandard ("cost effective") care. I want to live in a country where a person over the age of 80 can get an expensive treatment to improve quality of life. I know a person who did: first about $80,000 in drugs for hepatitis, then a hip replacement. Neither would happen in a country with socialized healthcare because she wouldn't be worth the money. They'd estimate something like "quality adjusted years of life", determine the value is low, and give her some pain pills.
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The comment was rightly flagged. Please stop posting flamebait and unsubstantive comments to HN. You've done it a lot, and we ban accounts that keep doing this. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22694149 .
I'm sorry the truth of the matter is considered "unsubstantive". Judging by the comments below, I'd argue there is a clear truth to my statements. Feel free to ban me at any time.
"Rudderless death cult" is just denunciatory rhetoric, and the rest of your comment contained no information either. That's what I mean by unsubstantive. Perhaps you were alluding to some important truth, but you didn't communicate it in a way that readers could learn from.
It happens a lot that commenters who feel certain that they possess some important truth come to HN threads to fulminate about it. When moderated, they tend to feel like we're against the truth, but no—we're against the fulmination.
If you know some truth that others don't, you actually have a greater responsibility to express yourself thoughtfully and substantively, because if all you do is vent, it just discredits that truth further for others who don't see it yet.
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Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals
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One of the huge failures of the government is that we still don't have any push for ubiquitous testing. South Korea's aggressive testing for the virus is a key factor in their success in suppressing the epidemic.
Assuming you're talking about the US, I think this situation exposes a not well known fact that the federal government doesn't really control the inside of the country. The response has to come at the state and local level, which it is, slowly. e.g. : https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/coronavi... Here in our county in rural Montana (based on info from the local medical establishment, who I know fair…
> The response has to come at the state and local level, which it is, slowly
I don't think this makes sense. If this is actually true then the US is just completely broken. Coronavirus is a global pandemic - are you arguing that each individual local jurisdiction should develop and manage it's own tests? That's horribly inefficient and slow.
The initially hit states were depending on the CDC and FDA to provide tests (or at least approve tests):
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-went-wrong-wit...
Unfortunately under the current administration the CDC and FDA are understaffed and being run extremely poorly, which greatly hampered initial testing. If your argument is that local jurisdictions should be responsible for pandemic testing, that makes very little sense to me. It is far more efficient for a single organization to coordinate pandemic response at the national level.
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Assuming you're talking about the US, I think this situation exposes a not well known fact that the federal government doesn't really control the inside of the country. The response has to come at the state and local level, which it is, slowly. e.g. : https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/coronavi... Here in our county in rural Montana (based on info from the local medical establishment, who I know fair…
> The response has to come at the state and local level, which it is, slowly I don't think this makes sense. If this is actually true then the US is just completely broken. Coronavirus is a global pandemic - are you arguing that each individual local jurisdiction should develop and manage it's own tests? That's horribly inefficient and slow. The initially hit states were depending on the CDC and FDA to provide tests…
My comment was responding to parent's "push for testing", not the development of a test. Having a test exist is one thing. Deciding how many people to test is a different thing, and is decided at the local level in the USA.
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Assuming you're talking about the US, I think this situation exposes a not well known fact that the federal government doesn't really control the inside of the country. The response has to come at the state and local level, which it is, slowly. e.g. : https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2020/03/coronavi... Here in our county in rural Montana (based on info from the local medical establishment, who I know fair…
Actually that's not true in this case. I believe it was the CDC who said only use our test. I'm not from the States but I believe the CDC is a federal agency isn't it?
FDA actually, but I'm not addressing the existence of the test but rather decisions on whether to perform widespread testing like SK.
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But by that logic all private healthcare providers like in the US are death panels? The rest of your comment was a wild ride. You're inventing a fictional socialised healthcare system (overwhelmed, hopelessly overbudget and reliant on political connections for treatment) and then declaring that some fictional market is better. But we don't need to invent fictional systems to compare and see whether this is true - bot…
Private healthcare providers in the USA are not like that. The hospitals are normally glad to accept your money in exchange for treatment. You can go elsewhere if you wish. If your insurance company denies payment, you can find some other way to pay. Canada prohibits the existence of private healthcare providers. The only reason people aren't condemned to die on waiting lists is that nearly all Canadians can easily t…
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