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Re: Dumping MiniDisc Media

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Minidisc hardware was great. I bought a Hi-MD recorder when they were introduced to record some interviews and was really impressed by the hardware.

The software was terrible as were the restrictions placed on it. All the copy restrictions and forcing ATRAC on people long after it was clear that MP3 was superior really killed the format.

Re: Dumping MiniDisc Media

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember using them over CDs purely because they had that ghost-in-the-shell anime-scifi feel, although burning a CD was much less pain than converting & writing to my Sony MD player

SAME! Added bonus that it's what Neo uses in the first matrix movie to give some software to the guy who knocks his door in the opening scene. I always wanted to use minidisks as a data medium, but it seems like it was never really possible. For the sake of suspending disbelief at the film I like to imagine that Neo encoded the data into the audio channels, but that would be super slow to load.

At least some Hi-MD (and I think Net-MD) decks can format and use regular MD media in data mode, behaving as a removable drive and storing about 300MB (by modern standards, very slowly) on a 74-minute disc.

That capability postdates The Matrix, so I've been assuming small files and some sort of deniable, purely acoustic steganography that's resilient to ATRAC compression.

Re: Dumping MiniDisc Media

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

So.. in this way: The Minidisc Player is the world. As such you download content or data from the real world down to it, and you upload data up to the real world from it.

But, the software that performs the transfer runs on the PC, and it is the one receiving data. Even Wikipedia defines "downloading" as "receiving data"...

They are commands sent to the MD to perform. Imagine the NetMD protocol was something like SSH with `[command]` specified.

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Edit: I have finally created a separate organization for the project now: https://github.com/linux-minidisc/linux-minidisc Original project creator and co-author of the linux-minidisc project here. Awesome to see my project on the frontpage of HN, maybe I can use this opportunity to find new contributors to move the project forward as it has been a little dormant due to lack of time. The upstream repository is curren…

Not sure how much the projects diverged, but I forked a fork of a fork, about 60 commits apart it seems. In any case, this fork worked for me, not your original one. I since sold the MD hardware, but in case you have some time, you could perhaps pull some stuff back in from [1] or any fork closer to you. I remember speaking at least to one of the other forkers saying upstream was unresponsive at the time (I guess that may have been you ;)). IIRC, this all branches out before the Python stuff was added. I used cmdline only, but with great pleasure.

[1] https://github.com/brenthuisman/linux-minidisc

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Edit: I have finally created a separate organization for the project now: https://github.com/linux-minidisc/linux-minidisc Original project creator and co-author of the linux-minidisc project here. Awesome to see my project on the frontpage of HN, maybe I can use this opportunity to find new contributors to move the project forward as it has been a little dormant due to lack of time. The upstream repository is curren…

I’ve spent some time with the code in the past few years (glad it exists for my recent interest in MD!). I’ll look through the (minor) changes I have and see if there is anything worth pushing back (I seem to recall something about time outs on macOS during download).

I have both Net and Hi players and a collection of older ATRAC3. If there is anything I can put any of these resources toward (running tests, etc.), I’ll see what I can do.

Thank you for a great project that allowed me to finally (25 years later) pursue my interest in MD.

Re: Dumping MiniDisc Media

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MiniDisc lover here. Great tutorial!

For those of you who're still using MiniDiscs daily, I've just released a SonicStage replacement app that works in the browser thanks to WebUSB and WASM.

Here's the link to the project: https://github.com/cybercase/webminidisc

and here's a short demo of how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frs8qhw0g9Y

Hope you like it!

Re: Dumping MiniDisc Media

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post #16

This brings back some great memories from 2002. My daughter had just been born and when I was up doing the night feeds I used my PlayStation 2 with its optical out to transfer my CDs onto my MiniDisc player. It was a slow process (real time) but it was so great to have all the track details automatically included rather than having to manually name the tracks on the player. This was before Sony's NetMD software and I…

IIRC MiniDisc was big in Japan when it came out, and a lot of artists draw on that 90s-era Japanese aesthetic projected into the future. A lot of cyberpunk art features devices that look and function like MiniDisc devices + discs.

Re: Dumping MiniDisc Media

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MiniDisc lover here. Great tutorial! For those of you who're still using MiniDiscs daily, I've just released a SonicStage replacement app that works in the browser thanks to WebUSB and WASM. Here's the link to the project: https://github.com/cybercase/webminidisc and here's a short demo of how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Frs8qhw0g9Y Hope you like it!

LOVE IT! Thanks a bunch mate. Works like a charm. Used: https://stefano.brilli.me/webminidisc/ Cannot compile it, cause npm is fucked and and my nodejs fu is meh....

Re: Dumping MiniDisc Media

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post #16

This brings back some great memories from 2002. My daughter had just been born and when I was up doing the night feeds I used my PlayStation 2 with its optical out to transfer my CDs onto my MiniDisc player. It was a slow process (real time) but it was so great to have all the track details automatically included rather than having to manually name the tracks on the player. This was before Sony's NetMD software and I…

I had a few mini-disc players in the late 90s. I had about an hour commute in to work in those days and it was awesome not to lug around tapes or the shock sensitive, constantly skipping, CD Walkman.

I managed to find a fairly cheap "all-in-one" hifi that had a minidisc drive in it too, so transferring was easy, but lacked the track naming, and it would only transfer at 1.5x speed.

Those minidisc players took a bit of a beating. In the end I replaced it with a Creative Nomad Jukebox (http://www.iretron.com/blog/posts/technology-flashback-creat...). That was a revelation. 6GB of MP3 storage meant I could rip all of my CDs and take them with me.

Sony seems to have a habit of producing some really great technology and then woefully mismanaging it by having short term thinking and failing to learn from rivals.

It had so many advantages at the time, but the equipment involved in recording to it was so expensive it was hard to get the labels on-board. If Sony had been willing to drastically subsidise the recording equipment and got the labels on board they'd have had so much more chance to make it in the market. When you're leaving it for your target consumer to wrestle with "How do I get my music on to it", and requiring specialty hardware purchase or complicated hacks, you've sort of lost the market already.

Re: Dumping MiniDisc Media

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post #39
post #16

This brings back some great memories from 2002. My daughter had just been born and when I was up doing the night feeds I used my PlayStation 2 with its optical out to transfer my CDs onto my MiniDisc player. It was a slow process (real time) but it was so great to have all the track details automatically included rather than having to manually name the tracks on the player. This was before Sony's NetMD software and I…

I had a few mini-disc players in the late 90s. I had about an hour commute in to work in those days and it was awesome not to lug around tapes or the shock sensitive, constantly skipping, CD Walkman. I managed to find a fairly cheap "all-in-one" hifi that had a minidisc drive in it too, so transferring was easy, but lacked the track naming, and it would only transfer at 1.5x speed. Those minidisc players took a bit o…

> the equipment involved in recording to it was so expensive it was hard to get the labels on-board.

Source or speculation?

If b, then, to add:

I don't think for a major (or even medium/minor) label this was the issue - at the time the labels had a real concern about mass high quality digital copying by consumers destroying their business

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