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Re: How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

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Post by Tepix » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 10:42 AM UTC

angarg12 wrote: post #3

I think comparing Singapore, a tiny, highly urbanized island nation, with the US, a continent size country with a vast number of points of entry, is a little bit apples to oranges. Don't get me wrong, I do think that some Asian countries took great measures to contain the virus, and some western countries failed to do so, but I doubt the same measures would be equally as effective everywhere. This is relevant because…

If anything, containing a pandemic in a large city is much harder than doing so in the countryside.

Re: How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

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Post by raaaaraaaa12 » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 10:44 AM UTC

mcsb4 wrote: post #21

Again another article that doesn't even mention the use of masks and hand sanitizer. The cost of the epidemic now goes into the trillions, self-made cotton masks are cheap compared to the economic damage. They can be disinfected in boiling water and if everybody uses them they will help to stop the spreading of the virus. In all the countries mentioned in the article people wear masks when in public, often just again…

We have face mask mandatory now in Czech Republic, Italy scared us and goverment reacted quickly. Its not over yet but we are on the right track.

https://news.expats.cz/health-medical/breaking-face-covering...

Re: How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

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Post by Zigurd » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 10:44 AM UTC

adventured wrote: post #18

pmorici wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least initially I read that Philippines didn’t even have testing capability and had to send samples to Australia to be tested. You don’t find what you don’t look for.

You wouldn't have to look for them in these situations (the context of these nations), it would show up in your intensive care system and swamp your hospitals with thousands upon thousands of ICU-level cases. That effect even showed up somewhat in Russia, in heightened pneumonia cases (they're now admitting it's likely far more widespread than the positive case results would imply). It's not easy to hide or disregard…

If you look at the shape of causes of death in Russia, heart disease and pneumonia are unusually high, and life expectancy is low, even compared to China. There is a plausible way for coronavirus to sneak up on Russia until the hospitals fill up with extra pneumonia cases.

Re: How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

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Post by Mediterraneo10 » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 10:45 AM UTC

csomar wrote: post #24

robocat wrote: post #7

Another effing article that completely ignores Taiwan... I’m no taiwanophile, but why is it that a first-world democracy with a successful strategy against Covid is being completely ignored by media? https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762689 Taiwan has huge flows of Chinese people, yet no outbreak. Maybe it’s a good thing they are not recognised by the WHO?

Another one is Hong Kong. They are tightly packed in a small geographic space, have an active border with China (not sure about it now), and a highly trafficked airport.

Hong Kong is legally part of China, not a separate country, and its coronavirus strategy has been overseen by the same top Chinese officials as in mainland China.

Re: How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

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Post by throwaway_pdp09 » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 10:45 AM UTC

mcsb4 wrote: post #21

Again another article that doesn't even mention the use of masks and hand sanitizer. The cost of the epidemic now goes into the trillions, self-made cotton masks are cheap compared to the economic damage. They can be disinfected in boiling water and if everybody uses them they will help to stop the spreading of the virus. In all the countries mentioned in the article people wear masks when in public, often just again…

I've read repeatedly (and heard on the radio several times) that wearing a mask if YOU are infected will help protect other people, but if you are not infected then it has no known protective effect ie. is not thought to be any more protective than not wearing one.

Do you have any evidence to back up you talk of masks?

(And if YOU are infected you should not be out anyway)

Edit: I was thinking of non-medical situations. @j7ake below, clearly pointed out they work in medical situations, something I was not contesting at all but did not make clear. The original post talked of "wearing masks in public" which was clearly not in medical situations and I was following through that.

Re: How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

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Post by op03 » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 10:45 AM UTC

adventured wrote: post #6

So have Thailand, the Philippines and Indonesia (440 million people). They've all had fewer cases than Luxembourg so far. I've yet to see a good explanation for it, other than maybe the premise about seasonal temps and humidity (northern vs southern hemisphere). There's no evidence they're massively lying about their numbers (which would show up in the form of a demolished hospital system and thousands dead of pneumo…

Google Covid by Latitude. Lot of papers. It's doesn't look like its effecting tropics much.

This one had a table with the major cities hit and their avg temp/humidity every month since Nov https://www.researchgate.net/publication/339852916_Temperatu...

Re: How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

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Post by raaaaraaaa12 » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 10:48 AM UTC

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #35

mcsb4 wrote: post #21

Again another article that doesn't even mention the use of masks and hand sanitizer. The cost of the epidemic now goes into the trillions, self-made cotton masks are cheap compared to the economic damage. They can be disinfected in boiling water and if everybody uses them they will help to stop the spreading of the virus. In all the countries mentioned in the article people wear masks when in public, often just again…

I've read repeatedly (and heard on the radio several times) that wearing a mask if YOU are infected will help protect other people, but if you are not infected then it has no known protective effect ie. is not thought to be any more protective than not wearing one. Do you have any evidence to back up you talk of masks? (And if YOU are infected you should not be out anyway) Edit: I was thinking of non-medical situatio…

Yes that's right even your own DIY face mask protect other people. And that's enough to slow down spreading...

You dont know for first ~5-6 days whether you are infected or not.

https://www.businessinsider.com/people-are-making-diy-face-m...

Don't worry too much about effectiveness of DIY face masks - in few months Respilon and other Czech companies will put on market face masks made from nanomaterials which filters virus much more effectively ;)

Re: How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

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Post by haunter » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 10:49 AM UTC

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #35

mcsb4 wrote: post #21

Again another article that doesn't even mention the use of masks and hand sanitizer. The cost of the epidemic now goes into the trillions, self-made cotton masks are cheap compared to the economic damage. They can be disinfected in boiling water and if everybody uses them they will help to stop the spreading of the virus. In all the countries mentioned in the article people wear masks when in public, often just again…

I've read repeatedly (and heard on the radio several times) that wearing a mask if YOU are infected will help protect other people, but if you are not infected then it has no known protective effect ie. is not thought to be any more protective than not wearing one. Do you have any evidence to back up you talk of masks? (And if YOU are infected you should not be out anyway) Edit: I was thinking of non-medical situatio…

> wearing a mask if YOU are infected will help protect other people

How do I know I'm not infected? There are a lot of asymptomatic carriers, that's the main problem.

A lot of people still think that no symptomps = not infected = no mask needed but that's totally wrong

Re: How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

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Post by Zigurd » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 10:49 AM UTC

angarg12 wrote: post #3

I think comparing Singapore, a tiny, highly urbanized island nation, with the US, a continent size country with a vast number of points of entry, is a little bit apples to oranges. Don't get me wrong, I do think that some Asian countries took great measures to contain the virus, and some western countries failed to do so, but I doubt the same measures would be equally as effective everywhere. This is relevant because…

Arguments like this are a longstanding template to excuse everything from crappy broadband to poor health outcomes in general. Yes, America is big, but bits don't get tired in long fiber links, and health care outcomes are independent of distance. America needs to start examining why we lag in so many quality of life issues.

Re: How South Korea Reined In The Outbreak Without Shutting Everything Down

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Post by nikbackm » Fri, Mar 27, 2020, 10:49 AM UTC

throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #35

mcsb4 wrote: post #21

Again another article that doesn't even mention the use of masks and hand sanitizer. The cost of the epidemic now goes into the trillions, self-made cotton masks are cheap compared to the economic damage. They can be disinfected in boiling water and if everybody uses them they will help to stop the spreading of the virus. In all the countries mentioned in the article people wear masks when in public, often just again…

I've read repeatedly (and heard on the radio several times) that wearing a mask if YOU are infected will help protect other people, but if you are not infected then it has no known protective effect ie. is not thought to be any more protective than not wearing one. Do you have any evidence to back up you talk of masks? (And if YOU are infected you should not be out anyway) Edit: I was thinking of non-medical situatio…

You might not know that you are infected.