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Re: A detailed look at the router provided by my ISP

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

jason0597 wrote: post #27

It's funny to think that if you were to report all of your findings to your local newspaper (Turkish newspaper in this case), as to how Turkish ISPs have complete access to your router or how Huawei (China) has an SSH key for your router, people would go absolutely ballistic. But for us it's just another day of expected craziness and we're tired of talking about it

> if you were to report all of your findings to your local newspaper ... people would go absolutely ballistic.

You reckon? I don’t think they’d even be interested in hearing about it.

Where do you live and who is your local paper that leads you to believe they’d bother writing, let alone publishing, such a story?

Re: A detailed look at the router provided by my ISP

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Post by jmiserez »

pdonis wrote: post #90
jmiserez wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My ISP does, but they're the exception to the rule and cater to techies. Of course support questions for random devices need to be more specific than just "it doesn't work".

> My ISP does Out of curiosity, which ISP do you have?

init7.net. They have a bunch of official guides, but also help with other devices and have debugged issues with new devices. Basically if your device is capable they want to make it work.

Re: A detailed look at the router provided by my ISP

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Post by pdonis »

CameronNemo wrote: post #78
pdonis wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ISPs hate it because it it makes their lives a lot harder - in cable networks, they now have to deal with a zoo of endpoints on a shared medium vs. a small set of standardized devices. In other words, ISPs hate it because it forces them to actually do their jobs and be ISPs. The Internet itself is "a zoo of endpoints on a shared medium", and ISP stands for Internet Service Provider.

I work at an ISP of sorts. It is a regional research and education network. We are owned by our members. Heterogeneity is definitely par for the course, but that does not stop us from trying to roll out some ubiquity where we can. Many of our CPE routers are the same make and model, and that makes maintenance and analysis much less error prone. I.e. better service for our member institutions. If you want an ISP whose…

> having some ground rules and baseline behavior

Doesn't "if you choose to use your own cable modem/router, it must meet the DOCSIS 3 specification" do this? That's the rule Comcast made me follow.

Re: A detailed look at the router provided by my ISP

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Post by metters »

lima wrote: post #40
LeonM wrote: post #30

In the Netherlands we now have a law where ISPs must allow your own choice of network equipment. This means they must give you the required information on how to connect your own device with their network. I have a fiber connection, which I connected directly to a Ubiquity router through a suitable SFP module. My ISP supplied the information on the fiber type and which VLAN ID's to setup for internet, TV and telephon…

Same in Germany! ISPs hate it because it it makes their lives a lot harder - in cable networks, they now have to deal with a zoo of endpoints on a shared medium vs. a small set of standardized devices. As a customer, I like it.

They also hate it, because they cannot charge rent, like for the ISP owned router.

Re: A detailed look at the router provided by my ISP

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Post by ProZsolt »

hiram112 wrote: post #62
LeonM wrote: post #30

In the Netherlands we now have a law where ISPs must allow your own choice of network equipment. This means they must give you the required information on how to connect your own device with their network. I have a fiber connection, which I connected directly to a Ubiquity router through a suitable SFP module. My ISP supplied the information on the fiber type and which VLAN ID's to setup for internet, TV and telephon…

What's you cost and speed of the fiber? Also, if you didn't need so much bandwidth, is it possible to just order a basic 100Mb/10mb connection for a nominal fee of, say, 30Euro? The speeds in the US aren't actually that bad, but you're basically forced to pay for everything: paid cable TV, equipment rental fees, etc, and your $40 plan ends up creeping towards $100 / month after the fees and taxes, with increases ever…

Don't know about NL, but in Hungary and a lot of other EU countries you can get 100Mb/10Mb for about 10 EUR, gigabit for 20-30.

Re: A detailed look at the router provided by my ISP

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Post by thedance »

hiram112 wrote: post #62
LeonM wrote: post #30

In the Netherlands we now have a law where ISPs must allow your own choice of network equipment. This means they must give you the required information on how to connect your own device with their network. I have a fiber connection, which I connected directly to a Ubiquity router through a suitable SFP module. My ISP supplied the information on the fiber type and which VLAN ID's to setup for internet, TV and telephon…

What's you cost and speed of the fiber? Also, if you didn't need so much bandwidth, is it possible to just order a basic 100Mb/10mb connection for a nominal fee of, say, 30Euro? The speeds in the US aren't actually that bad, but you're basically forced to pay for everything: paid cable TV, equipment rental fees, etc, and your $40 plan ends up creeping towards $100 / month after the fees and taxes, with increases ever…

This varies greatly by locale and is not uniform across the USA. In Berkeley, California I have fiber service that terminates in my own equipment, no rented equipment and no bundled services (TV, phone, etc). It's nominally symmetric gigabit service for $40/month.

Re: A detailed look at the router provided by my ISP

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Post by anticensor »

Someone1234 wrote: post #68
j_h wrote: post #67

EU net neutrality regulation grants end users right to use their own equipment. https://fsfe.org/activities/routers/

Turkey isn't in the EU.

IANAL, but Turkcell would lose the case in Turkey too. This is not due to net neutrality regulations (Turkey deliberately lacks it), but due to case law arisen from competition and customer rights regulations. However, telcos work around that too, by "leasing" modems, like telephone divisions did in the past. Does the trick of "leasing" work in the EU too?

Re: A detailed look at the router provided by my ISP

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Post by philg_jr »

thinkloop wrote: post #59
LeonM wrote: post #30

In the Netherlands we now have a law where ISPs must allow your own choice of network equipment. This means they must give you the required information on how to connect your own device with their network. I have a fiber connection, which I connected directly to a Ubiquity router through a suitable SFP module. My ISP supplied the information on the fiber type and which VLAN ID's to setup for internet, TV and telephon…

How can you do without the modem? Which ubiquity product is that?

Typically, FTTH doesn't require a "modem".

In my case, I have VZ Fios in the northeast US. Their termination point at my house has an RJ45 Ethernet connection. It goes directly to my pfSense router.

Re: A detailed look at the router provided by my ISP

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Post by Thaxll »

jason0597 wrote: post #27

It's funny to think that if you were to report all of your findings to your local newspaper (Turkish newspaper in this case), as to how Turkish ISPs have complete access to your router or how Huawei (China) has an SSH key for your router, people would go absolutely ballistic. But for us it's just another day of expected craziness and we're tired of talking about it

If that stuff listen to the interface of your public IP which is most likely not the case, but yes it's still scary.

Re: A detailed look at the router provided by my ISP

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Post by closeparen »

jason0597 wrote: post #27

It's funny to think that if you were to report all of your findings to your local newspaper (Turkish newspaper in this case), as to how Turkish ISPs have complete access to your router or how Huawei (China) has an SSH key for your router, people would go absolutely ballistic. But for us it's just another day of expected craziness and we're tired of talking about it

CPE is just part of the ISP's infrastructure that happens to be in your house. There is no need to trust it. Just put your own router in front of it.
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