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The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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If I repeatedly linked to my own site with a title that interested you but all you could see on my page was an unskippable ad demanding that you sign up and pay for my unrelated product, wouldn’t my site be banned from HN? Why do sites like nytimes get a free pass with their paywalls?

I feel the same way. My intuition tells me only some small percentage of HN readers have a NYT subscription, so these posts are of little use. Though the posts keep appearing, so perhaps I'm wrong, and it's really substantial...like at least 25%? What's the threshold where it makes sense?

The value in HN is mostly in the comments, not in its role as a link aggregator. A good 90% of the time when the link is to something I cannot access I can still get all the salient points necessary to understand and benefit from the discussion just from reading the comments. (Also, if it is a story on some reasonably current event or some well known subject there is a good chance a quick visit to a search engine will find some other article that covers nearly everything in the submitted article but that I can read).

I think of HN as like a social gathering. Each discussion thread is like a small group of people at a party standing around talking about some topic. It's a big party, and there are dozens of such small groups, constantly forming and breaking up, as people move from group to group.

If I'm at a party, and I see a group discussing a book they have read and I have not, I'm either going to ignore their discussion completely if I'm not interested in the topic or am planning on reading the book later and want to avoid spoilers, or go ahead and join in if I'm interested in the topic and and not worried about spoilers and they are discussing it in general enough terms.

I'm not going to try to tell everyone at the party that they should only talk about books that everyone there has read.

If there is some particular site(s) that someone just does not want to see on HN at all, it's easy to address that with a couple bookmarklets. Here's one that will hide NY Times articles from the listings:

  javascript: (function () {
    var stories = document.getElementsByClassName('storylink');
    for (var i = 0; i 
It would be easy to expand it to cover multiple sites.

Here's one to unhide them:

  javascript:(function () {
    var stories = document.getElementsByClassName('storylink');
    for (var i = 0; i 
Stick those bookmarklets someplace easy to invoke, and then at the cost of one click per page of 30 links you don't have to see the site(s) again.

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Papers of record/highly reputable sources should be held to a different standard.

I'll take the bait. It's 2020, is the NYT still considered highly reputable? Or is it just a "loveable brand name" at this point?

I have never seen a nyt article that wasn't an op-ed or maybe magazine that wasn't reputable.

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

#53
post #6

My (least) favourite example of this is that Iggy Azalea gets a song-writing credit for Classic Man. http://www.mtv.com/news/2215334/iggy-azalea-fancy-classic-ma... If you listen to the two, you can spot the similarity but... it’s nowhere close to sampling or plagiarism. They’ve got different melodies, different feels, just a similar prominent keyboard sound. But no-one wants a court case, so the writers of Fancy get…

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Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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This might be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard:

“Thin copyright might apply to a doll or a painting because, for example, there are just so many ways to paint a tomato,” Busch said. “Creative choices are limited. It has never applied to music because there are literally an infinite number of creative choices in creating a song.”

... So you're saying there aren't infinite ways to paint a tomato?

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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All of these NYT stories bring up a blocking modal dialog requiring me to log in or create an account (I guess this is a slight improvement from making me pay). Is this the same for everyone else? Why do other sites that show a dismissable overlay get raked over the coals as if they are criminals? What value is there in posting a link on HN if it's behind a pay (or temporarily free) wall? This goes double for the WSJ…

Hit escape as it's loading to shut down the script that blocks the screen.

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

#56

This might be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard: “Thin copyright might apply to a doll or a painting because, for example, there are just so many ways to paint a tomato,” Busch said. “Creative choices are limited. It has never applied to music because there are literally an infinite number of creative choices in creating a song.” ... So you're saying there aren't infinite ways to paint a tomato?

It is indeed stupid. Color and space exist on a continuum whereas musical notes and rhythms are discrete (at least within a given musical tradition), so if anything there are more creative choices in painting a tomato than in creating a song.

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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Can't read the article. I feel like this just encourages low effort comments from people skimming the headlines.

There are several easy workarounds already mentioned in the comments: hit escape, disable javascript, clear your cookies, or visit the archived version at http://archive.md/e2Kih

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

#59

This might be one of the stupidest arguments I've ever heard: “Thin copyright might apply to a doll or a painting because, for example, there are just so many ways to paint a tomato,” Busch said. “Creative choices are limited. It has never applied to music because there are literally an infinite number of creative choices in creating a song.” ... So you're saying there aren't infinite ways to paint a tomato?

That's a terrible argument isn't it? There's a finite number of musical notes, a finite structure to them and a finite number of effects. We're guaranteed to end up with doppelgänger choruses and melodies sooner rather than later.

Re: The ‘Blurred Lines’ case scared songwriters, but its time may be up

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post #5

Zeppelin have long been known to be notorious plagiarists: https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/led-zeppelins-...

They outright covered songs in those early albums, but refused to pay royalties. I don't remember what their argument was.

Since when do cover artists pay royalties?
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