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Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by CaptArmchair »

joegahona wrote: post #63
js2 wrote: post #16

The 2017-2018 flu season also overwhelmed US hospitals: https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht... My point isn't that we should take Coronavirus any less seriously this year. Healthcare workers have no vaccine for it. It's on top of the flu. Etc. My point is that we should take the flu more seriously every year. Everyone gets their…

I'd love a more comprehensive discussion about the flu shot, because I've only used anecdotal evidence, and I suspect a lot of other people do the same. The first two years I got the flu shot from my employer at the time was 2007-2008, and I got a violent flu both years. Didn't get one after that for years, until last Feb, when I felt like I was going to die. Eventually went to urgent care, where I got fluids and she…

The CDC has all your answers about flu shots:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/misconceptions.htm

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by phkahler »

js2 wrote: post #16

The 2017-2018 flu season also overwhelmed US hospitals: https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht... My point isn't that we should take Coronavirus any less seriously this year. Healthcare workers have no vaccine for it. It's on top of the flu. Etc. My point is that we should take the flu more seriously every year. Everyone gets their…

>> Everyone gets their flu shot, right?

No, and that's ok. There is a lot of stuff written - even in science papers - that indicate differing things about those vaccines effectiveness.

There is no universal "right" answer to your question. I'm assuming you thought it was rhetorical.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by luch »

bistro wrote: post #183
de_watcher wrote: post #174

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That's so weirdly American: a top-voted post about flu shots. On EU forums literally nobody brings this up somehow.

Because everyone gets the flu shot in EU, or because nobody cares?

No unless you're at risk (old person or with medical issues) you usually don't get the flu shot. The reason is to actually to build the so-called "herd immunity" I think. Same thing with antibiotics (no need to give evolutionary "ammunition" to virus and bacteria if we don't need to).

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by yters »

3JPLW wrote: post #208
yters wrote: post #148

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What did South Korea do to mitigate?

Extensive — super extensive — testing, contact tracing, and strong quarantining of suspected and confirmed positives. From the get-go.

yes that all seems like things we could easily do in the US. i dont know why the gov doesnt push this, vs mass ineffective lockdowns

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by phkahler »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #91
Zelphyr wrote: post #33

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Yes, I do. Helps that I live with a Nurse Practitioner. However, the number of people I know who are convinced that getting the flu shot makes them sick or gives them the flu and thus refuse to get the shot is shocking. Some things I've actually heard: "I get sick every time!" No, you don't. "It's a LIVE VIRUS! Everybody knows this!" No, it's not. You're just an idiot hanging around with idiots.

People are probably referring to the immune response. The flu shot does trigger an immune response and other side effects, so having a fever, muscle aches, etc. is not made up. I too have a far more severe reaction every time I get a flu shot than I've ever had from actual flu.

>> I too have a far more severe reaction every time I get a flu shot than I've ever had from actual flu.

Then why bother?

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by gridlockd »

TallGuyShort wrote: post #197
gridlockd wrote: post #135

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> I too have a far more severe reaction every time I get a flu shot than I've ever had from actual flu. Are you sure you ever had an actual Influenza infection? It's not like a common cold. Even then, let's say you do get Influenza, there's a solid chance you'll get pneumonia, even as an otherwise healthy person. Most diseases to vaccinate against have are mild in the majority of cases. You're vaccinating because of…

I have been diagnosed by a doctor as probably having flu, but they don't always test, and I have had pneumonia, albeit not from influenza. But please understand you're preaching to the choir on vaccinations. I'm just saying that telling people something they actually experienced just isn't real just because it's not infectious is equally incorrect and counterproductive.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ruling out that reactions to flu shots can be more severe than actual (mild) infections.

It just strikes me as unlikely. It's more likely that people don't understand the difference between a flu and a cold.

That's why I'm asking for clarification.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by viklove »

js2 wrote: post #16

The 2017-2018 flu season also overwhelmed US hospitals: https://time.com/5107984/hospitals-handling-burden-flu-patie... https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/season/flu-season-2017-2018.ht... My point isn't that we should take Coronavirus any less seriously this year. Healthcare workers have no vaccine for it. It's on top of the flu. Etc. My point is that we should take the flu more seriously every year. Everyone gets their…

> Loyola University Health System in Chicago—which set a hospital flu-activity record of 190 confirmed cases between January 7 and 13

It's not even close to what we saw just this week from coronavirus. Stop making a comparison where there isn't one to be made, this is much worse than the flu.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by smcl »

bistro wrote: post #183
de_watcher wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's so weirdly American: a top-voted post about flu shots. On EU forums literally nobody brings this up somehow.

Because everyone gets the flu shot in EU, or because nobody cares?

It's not that nobody cares. I think it's more encouraged for the elderly or other "at risk" groups whatever that might be but it's not really being pushed for anyone else. I'm in my 30s and have lived in the EU my entire life and I have literally never had one, for example.

Re: Coronavirus patients start to overwhelm US hospitals

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Post by katbyte »

yters wrote: post #148
3JPLW wrote: post #115

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Seriously? We've watched this thing spread over the past three months. Every single nation and state saw exponential growth of confirmed cases once community spread started happening — often doubling every 2-4 days. The growth continued until serious mitigations (like shutdowns and lockdowns) were put in place. Why do you think the rest of the US is going to be different? They're just a few doublings (some days) behi…

What did South Korea do to mitigate?

acted before things got bad, developed a test fast ,massive amount of testing , trace and track , aggressively quarantining people who test positive, providing financial support for people who test + and stop working
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